Thanks for getting me to google back into history, sorry if my earlier comment appeared snide.
Can you imagine a president, along with many other people, being able to keep a secret today from the American people, as well as from his own vice president?
While TV did not play a role in political coverage back in that day, there were multiple newspapers publishing multiple editions a day in New York and other major cities. No whistleblowers? No tell-all books by insiders wishing to make a buck, regardless of the fall-out for our country?
The Press rarely used photos which revealed the painful reality of FDR’s paralysis and his steel leg braces. They also kept mum about Roosevelt’s private extramarital relationships throughout his multiple terms in office. Did the secrecy surrounding President Roosevelt allow the Atomic Bomb to proceed?
Can you imagine a president, along with many other people, being able to keep a secret today from the American people, as well as from his own vice president?
Like, for example, his tax returns? Or the details of his business ties to Russia?
Like, for example, his tax returns? Or the details of his business ties to Russia?
Tax returns, versus the creation and deployment of Atomic Bombs? Bit of a stretch, IMHO.
Ties to Russia? The attempt to impeach failed. Still a sore point, I see. How will the Biden family interests in Ukraine play out? OMG, what about Hilary’s lost emails?
How about the scrubbing of 26 phones by the Mueller team? That is the latest scandal.
Thanks for getting me to google back into history, sorry if my earlier comment appeared snide.
Can you imagine a president, along with many other people, being able to keep a secret today from the American people, as well as from his own vice president?
While TV did not play a role in political coverage back in that day, there were multiple newspapers publishing multiple editions a day in New York and other major cities. No whistleblowers? No tell-all books by insiders wishing to make a buck, regardless of the fall-out for our country?
The Press rarely used photos which revealed the painful reality of FDR’s paralysis and his steel leg braces. They also kept mum about Roosevelt’s private extramarital relationships throughout his multiple terms in office. Did the secrecy surrounding President Roosevelt allow the Atomic Bomb to proceed?
I am not sure how this relates to my original comment. Can we at least agree that it would have been very bad if FDR had denied the reality of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, refused to mobilize the American military and done nothing but wait for the completion of the Manhattan Project?
This seems like a pretty simple assertion that anyone with a glancing familiarity with the history could agree with.
Tax returns, versus the creation and deployment of Atomic Bombs? Bit of a stretch, IMHO.
Ties to Russia? The attempt to impeach failed. Still a sore point, I see. How will the Biden family interests in Ukraine play out? OMG, what about Hilary’s lost emails?
How about the scrubbing of 26 phones by the Mueller team? That is the latest scandal.
if CNN is reporting does that mean the Hindenburg represents Fox News?
Tax returns, versus the creation and deployment of Atomic Bombs? Bit of a stretch, IMHO.
Ties to Russia? The attempt to impeach failed. Still a sore point, I see. How will the Biden family interests in Ukraine play out? OMG, what about Hilary’s lost emails?
How about the scrubbing of 26 phones by the Mueller team? That is the latest scandal.
if CNN is reporting does that mean the Hindenburg represents Fox News?
Hint: if you have to explain a cartoon, it is not a good cartoon
I am not sure how this relates to my original comment. Can we at least agree that it would have been very bad if FDR had denied the reality of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, refused to mobilize the American military and done nothing but wait for the completion of the Manhattan Project.
Your thoughts?
Not responding to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was never an option for FDR. There could be no denial of the loss of life and destruction of the American ships at the naval base. Roosevelt had no positive delivery date — in 1941, the bomb was in still early days of development, years away from completion.
All this info was in the articles I linked. I don’t understand why you still believe FDR could have “done nothing but wait for the completion of the Manhattan Project.”
FDR was dead when the little haberdasher, Vice President Harry Truman, from the Midwest, who had no prior knowledge of the development of the deadly bomb, gave the orders to use the atomic bombs, successfully ending the war.
I am not sure how this relates to my original comment. Can we at least agree that it would have been very bad if FDR had denied the reality of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, refused to mobilize the American military and done nothing but wait for the completion of the Manhattan Project.
Your thoughts?
Not responding to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was never an option for FDR.
Of course it was an option. The results would have been disastrous and cost hundreds of thousands of additional American lives but it certainly was an option just as lying about Covid, doing nothing and waiting for a vaccine was an option for Trump.
Just because something is a terrible idea don't mean it wasn't an option.
I don’t understand why you still believe FDR could have “done nothing but wait for the completion of the Manhattan Project.”
This is false. GoSlugs does not believe that FDR could have done nothing but wait for the completion of the Manhattan Project.
I would argue that it was an incredibly bad option that would/should have resulted in the President's impeachment and removal from office if he had chosen it. No sane leader, however, would have even considered it either then or now.
Just imagine how stupid these people think the average Trump supporter is
While it’s true Joe Biden has not been a good president these last few months, Donald Trump’s failure to be a good president has been significantly more consequential. pic.twitter.com/JpKQCrRbmm
Another good example of why Woodward will not shake the faith of one yahoo.
And rich exploiters of their useful idiot will shrug and laugh: Ain't no virus on my yacht.
CNN has obtained excerpts of the 10-minute conversation, which show Trump was more focused on the economy than the public health crisis. As the two debated Trump's response to the pandemic, Trump finally asked: "So you think the virus totally supersedes the economy?""Oh sure. But they're related, as you know," Woodward responded."A little bit, yeah," Trump replied."Oh, a little bit?" Woodward asked. "I mean, more than a little bit. But the economy is doing -- look, we're close to a new stock market record," Trump said.
Regarding the increase in death rate of middle-class whites. And for me, the “explanation” of the support of non-rich folks for a wealthy NY grifter:
We may underestimate, though, the aftershocks of a shift in demographics, the erosion of labor unions, the perceived loss of status, the fears about their place in the world, and resentment that the kind of security their fathers could rely upon might now be waning in what were supposed to be the best years of their lives. Rising immigration from across the Pacific and the Rio Grande and the ascendance of a black man as president made for an inversion of the world as many had known it, and some of them might have been more susceptible to the calls to “take our country back” after 2008 and to “make America great again” in 2016.
In America, political scientists have given this malaise of insecurities a name: dominant group status threat. This phenomenon “is not the usual form of prejudice or stereotyping that involves looking down on outgroups who are perceived to be inferior,” writes Diana Mutz, a political scientist at the University of Pennsylvania. “Instead, it is born of a sense that the outgroup is doing too well and thus, is a viable threat to one’s own dominant group status.”
President Stable-Genius-Who-Can-Identify-a-Camel was on the TV this morning.
Trump again pushes the conspiracy theory that Joe Biden is taking some sort of debate-enhancing drug. Trump promoted conspiracy theories about Obama being a foreigner and climate change being a Chinese hoax, so this is in line with his past statements. pic.twitter.com/Znx59c8wj5
“Is your name Mad Dog?” Trump asked. “Your nickname?” “No, sir.” “What is it?” “Chaos.” “I don’t like that name,” said Trump. “Well, that’s my name.” “I thought it was Mad Dog.” No, that came from someone else. Mattis blamed the media. “Do you mind if I change your name to Mad Dog?” “You can sort of do whatever you want.” “Mad Dog Mattis,” Trump said. “That works out great.” Can you do the job?
Excerpt From
Woodward, Bob. “Rage.” Simon & Schuster, 2020-09-15. Apple Books. This material may be protected by copyright.
“Is your name Mad Dog?” Trump asked. “Your nickname?” “No, sir.” “What is it?” “Chaos.” “I don’t like that name,” said Trump. “Well, that’s my name.” “I thought it was Mad Dog.” No, that came from someone else. Mattis blamed the media. “Do you mind if I change your name to Mad Dog?” “You can sort of do whatever you want.” “Mad Dog Mattis,” Trump said. “That works out great.” Can you do the job?
Excerpt From
Woodward, Bob. “Rage.” Simon & Schuster, 2020-09-15. Apple Books. This material may be protected by copyright.
The material from Woodward gives me new respect, for the restrained subtlety of Alec Baldwin's portrayal of Trump.
This recap describes how Pearl Harbor was a “surprise attack” — all eyes were elsewhere...
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/was-fdr-planning-joining-world-war-ii-pearl-harbor-29772