The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns
mtierney said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/25/us/democrats-republicans-suburbs.html
Are Maplewood and South Orange still suburbs? How are suburbs defined today? Would “metropolis” be more accurate?
The first Democratic township committee member in Maplewood was elected in the late ‘70s.
Democrats: younger, more diverse, more educated. Republicans: older, white, less educated. Love it! This is a problem that will solve itself.
mtierney said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/25/us/democrats-republicans-suburbs.html
Are Maplewood and South Orange still suburbs? How are suburbs defined today? Would “metropolis” be more accurate?
The first Democratic township committee member in Maplewood was elected in the late ‘70s.
Our towns are both suburbs and parts of a metro area.
And the Republican Party deserted the type of people who live here, not the other way around
mtierney said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/25/us/democrats-republicans-suburbs.html
Are Maplewood and South Orange still suburbs? How are suburbs defined today? Would “metropolis” be more accurate?
The first Democratic township committee member in Maplewood was elected in the late ‘70s.
Please read the article. It's about that what city people think of as "the suburbs" aren't homogenous. Yes, SOMA/MAPSO is still a suburb.
The whole article is about a political "dividing line" between different types of suburbs. It's something that a writer in NYC would think was a significant discovery. Anyone in New Jersey already has known this for ages.
nohero said:
Please read the article. It's about that what city people think of as "the suburbs" aren't homogenous. Yes, SOMA/MAPSO is still a suburb.
The whole article is about a political "dividing line" between different types of suburbs. It's something that a writer in NYC would think was a significant discovery. Anyone in New Jersey already has known this for ages.
Don’t know just when I stepped on your toe, Nohero, but let me assure you, every link I post I have read and thought provocative and offered as a conversation starter. You are usually a tad testy toward me, and I have to think you are intolerant of opposing views.
Preaching to the choir is boring.
mtierney said:
nohero said:
Please read the article. It's about that what city people think of as "the suburbs" aren't homogenous. Yes, SOMA/MAPSO is still a suburb.
The whole article is about a political "dividing line" between different types of suburbs. It's something that a writer in NYC would think was a significant discovery. Anyone in New Jersey already has known this for ages.
Don’t know just when I stepped on your toe, Nohero, but let me assure you, every link I post I have read and thought provocative and offered as a conversation starter. You are usually a tad testy toward me, and I have to think you are intolerant of opposing views.
Preaching to the choir is boring.
Then I don't understand why you asked the question.
nohero said:
Then I don't understand why you asked the question.
Reading comprehension is among the very long list of MT's sans.
I have found that our friend mtierney does not as a rule answer questions. So it is not inconsistent for her to ask a question for which she does not want an answer.
Stan that is true, The Elites do answer the questions FOR mtierney as they are apt to do because they are always right. It maybe why this thread exists; it's a honeypot for lazy thinking and posturing, blinkered posters
lord_pabulum said:
Stan that is true, The Elites do answer the questions FOR mtierney as they are apt to do because they are always right. It maybe why this thread exists; it's a honeypot for lazy thinking and posturing, blinkered posters
And what do you have to say about mtierney constantly avoiding giving substantive answers to questions posed by other posters?
mtierney said:
What was the question?
One of these 3, I’d imagine.
“Are Maplewood and South Orange still suburbs? How are suburbs defined today? Would “metropolis” be more accurate?”
lord_pabulum said:It maybe why this thread exists; it's a honeypot for lazy thinking and posturing, blinkered posters
Which is why we are all glad you are here
ridski said:
One of these 3, I’d imagine.
“Are Maplewood and South Orange still suburbs? How are suburbs defined today? Would “metropolis” be more accurate?”
Thanks Ridski. Those questions were more ‘rhetorical” — a query.
I am asked many questions of a gotcha variety. When did you stop beating your wife, etc. I do not answer such questions to avoid stumbling into a MOL trap. I wasn’t born yesterday you know — or even the day before.
People who are entrenched in a bias need to justify that bias and cannot think outside their “bias box” — they feel threatened by opposing opinions.
What is so scary to me is this lack of objective thinking. The very reason DJT sits in the White House today is due to this blind thinking. Clinton was going to win, so who cared if others had some different hopes and dreams. HRC ran a lackluster campaign and it showed. What was her infamous phrase? Oh, yes. “A basket of deplorables!”
mtierney said:
Americans who want to see our president fail — by whatever means — damaged the the structure of our democracy.
Sedition?
We don't want to see nay presidency fail, realizing a successful presidency is good for all of us. Unlike Republicans with Obama.
You used sedition, an ugly word. What about your servility to Trump, your moral treason?
To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else. -President Teddy Roosevelt Kansas City Star (7 May 1918)
Traitor?
mtierney, this is not a gotcha question. What do you think about what Trump said today?
"I wrote a book, a really successful book, about a year before the World Trade Center…there’s someone named Osama bin Laden…you ought to take him out; he’s big trouble. I think I wrote 12 books. Nobody listened to me.” pic.twitter.com/FI9FBkMkM8
drummerboy said:
mtierney, this is not a gotcha question. What do you think about what Trump said today?
If DJT cannot remember how many books he’s written, I certainly cannot.
mtierney said:
If DJT cannot remember how many books he’s written, I certainly cannot.
did you really misunderstand the question, or are you being cute?
mtierney said:
Of course not. Constructive criticism is just that — constructive.
Unless it's directed at the President. Then it's "wanting to see our president fail — by whatever means — damaged the the structure of our democracy.
Sedition?"
Sans Sense.
ml1 said:
did you really misunderstand the question, or are you being cute?
Sans reading comprehension. -or-
Sans ability to answer a reasonable question.
mtierney said:
drummerboy said:
mtierney, this is not a gotcha question. What do you think about what Trump said today?
If DJT cannot remember how many books he’s written, I certainly cannot.
That's what you think the problem with his statement is?
Not that he claimed to be the only guy who recognized OBL as a threat before 9/11?
mt - if you still don't get it, read this, then tell us what you think about Trump's commentary on Bin Laden.
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(CNN)After announcing the death of ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, President Donald Trump on Sunday took questions from journalists -- and made a major false claim about his past statements on Osama bin Laden.
Trump
claimed he had been prescient about the danger posed by bin Laden,
having called for the death of the al Qaeda leader in a "very
successful" book he published in the year before the September 11, 2001,
terrorist attacks.Trump said that he knew the threat from bin Laden at a time when "nobody" had "ever heard of" bin Laden."About
a year -- you'll have to check it, a year, year and a half before the
World Trade Center came down, the book came out. I was talking about
Osama bin Laden. I said, 'You have to kill him. You have to take him
out.' Nobody listened to me," he said.
"Let's put it this way: if they would have listened to me, a lot of things would have been different," he said.Trump said he still hears people marveling about his supposed declaration."To
this day, I get people coming up to me," he said. "They said, 'You know
what one of the most amazing things I've ever seen about you is that
you predicted that Osama bin Laden had to be killed before he knocked
down the World Trade Center.' It's true. Now, most of the press doesn't
want to write that, but, you know -- but it's true. If you go back, look
at my book."We went back and looked at his book. It's not true.Facts First: Trump's
January 2000 book, "The America We Deserve," mentioned bin Laden once,
but it did not call for bin Laden to be killed or warn that he would
perpetrate a major attack if he were not killed. In a separate section,
the book said the US was in danger of a major terrorist attack that
would make the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center look minor in
comparison -- but it did not predict that bin Laden or al Qaeda would be
the perpetrator of this attack.There
is also no basis for Trump's claim that bin Laden was unknown to
everyone else at the time. Bin Laden was a well-known figure in 2000,
though he had not achieved the prominence he would gain with the attacks
of 2001; the FBI had added him to its Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list in 1999.Here's
the one mention of bin Laden in Trump's book: "Instead of one looming
crisis hanging over us, we face a bewildering series of smaller crises,
flash points, standoffs, and hot spots. We're not playing the chess game
to end all chess games anymore. We're playing tournament chess -- one
master against many rivals. One day we're all assured that Iraq is under
control, the UN inspectors have done their work, everything's fine, not
to worry. The next day the bombing begins. One day we're told that a
shadowy figure with no fixed address named Osama bin-Laden is public
enemy number one, and U.S. jetfighters lay waste to his camp in
Afghanistan. He escapes back under some rock, and a few news cycles
later it's on to a new enemy and new crisis."That was all -- a passing reference.Elsewhere
in the book, Trump wrote, "I really am convinced we're in danger of the
sort of terrorist attacks that will make the bombing of the Trade
Center look like kids playing with firecrackers. No sensible analyst
rejects this possibility, and plenty of them, like me, are not wondering
if but when it will happen."So
Trump explicitly acknowledged that it was a widespread belief among
analysts, not a special insight of his own, that a major attack was
coming.Concerns about bin Laden
plotting an attack were public knowledge by 2000. In June 1999, CNN
published an article that began, "US officials fear that suspected
terrorist Osama bin Laden 'may be in the final stages' of planning an
attack against the United States."
Bin
Laden had been publicly linked to the 1998 bombings of US embassies in
Tanzania and Kenya, and President Bill Clinton retaliated later that
year with cruise missile strikes on sites the Clinton administration
claimed were connected to bin Laden.Sunday
was not the first time Trump had made false claims about what he said
about bin Laden in the 2000 book. He made similar comments during his
presidential campaign, once in an appearance on conspiracy theorist Alex
Jones' show.
Day did not end on a high note for the President. (click arrow to hear chants)
President Trump was booed loudly by the fans at Nats Park when he was shown on the big screen. Then came a loud chant: “Lock him up.” @wusa9 pic.twitter.com/LBbgSAHd6k
https://twitter.com/adamlongoTV/status/1188623821877760005?s=20
nohero said:
Day did not end on a high note for the President. (click arrow to hear chants)
https://twitter.com/adamlongoTV/status/1188623821877760005?s=20
and that's among MLB fans, who tend to skew GOP friendly. Old, white and male.
If Trump is losing those guys, he's got a problem.
ml1 said:
nohero said:
Day did not end on a high note for the President. (click arrow to hear chants)
https://twitter.com/adamlongoTV/status/1188623821877760005?s=20
and that's among MLB fans, who tend to skew GOP friendly. Old, white and male.
If Trump is losing those guys, he's got a problem.
It's Washington DC. Everyone in the stands is either Deep State, Swamp, or Fake News Media.
Also in the stadium tonight -
So this just happened in the middle of the nats game. @Nationals pic.twitter.com/4MOij35smB
Every time I see coordinated, seemingly spontaneous, but organized public responses, equipped with cards, banners and expensive signage, the thought which pops into my head is: Who is footing the bill?”
None of this is the voice of the people, but politically inspired AND BOUGHT AND PAID FOR. Fans, riding on testosterone and beer, may well be inspired to chant — and probably thought the lock him up referred to HRC.
nohero said:
It's Washington DC. Everyone in the stands is either Deep State, Swamp, or Fake News Media.
Just another basket of deplorables?
mtierney said:
Every time I see coordinated, seemingly spontaneous, but organized public responses, equipped with cards, banners and expensive signage, the thought which pops into my head is: Who is footing the bill?”
None of this is the voice of the people, but politically inspired AND BOUGHT AND PAID FOR. Fans, riding on testosterone and beer, may well be inspired to chant — and probably thought the lock him up referred to HRC.
This Fox brainwashing is very effective.
1. See protest.
2. Think Soros
It's just a Pavlovian response at this point.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/25/us/democrats-republicans-suburbs.html
Are Maplewood and South Orange still suburbs? How are suburbs defined today? Would “metropolis” be more accurate?
The first Democratic township committee member in Maplewood was elected in the late ‘70s.