U.S. Indicts 12 Russian Military Officers for DNC Hacking
cramer said:
So, to recount the bidding, this is what we have:
Russia Hacked the DNC:
- Intelligence Community Assessment - Obama administration
- Intelligence Community - Trump administration (including Pompeo)
- Senate Intelligence Committee - Bipartisan
- Mueller indictment
-Trey Gowdy
Russia didn't hack the DNC:
-Trump ?
-Nunes?
-Conspiracy theorists
The DNC knocked off Bernie. True collusion. Choose your poison.
cramer said:
So, to recount the bidding, this is what we have:
Russia Hacked the DNC:
- Intelligence Community Assessment - Obama administration
- Intelligence Community - Trump administration (including Pompeo)
- Senate Intelligence Committee - Bipartisan
- Mueller indictment
-Trey Gowdy
Russia didn't hack the DNC:
-Trump ?
-Nunes?
-Conspiracy theorists
The DNC knocked off Bernie. True collusion. Choose your poison.
drummerboy said:
nan said:No. What's troubling is that Trump is meeting with Putin with no agenda (that we know of anyway).
tom said:Can only go on what we have now. Also, the timing of these indictments right before Trump is to meet with Putin. Troubling.
Why do you think Friday's indictments were meant to be the complete summation of the entire case, and not simply another piece of a larger puzzle?
nan said:
Ok, here another look at the indictments, which reminds everyone that indictments are not evidence and evidence will probably never be presented. The author says this indictment is "essentially a political and not a legal document."
Clinging to Collusion: Why Evidence Will Probably Never Be Produced in the Indictments of ‘Russian Agents’
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/07/14/clinging-to-collusion-why-evidence-will-probably-never-be-produced-in-the-indictments-of-russian-agents/
excerpt:
". . .Clinging to ‘Collusion’
The lack of evidence that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia has never stopped Democrats and their media outlets from believing unnamed U.S. intelligence sources for two years about such collusion. “Collusion” is the title of a best-selling book about the supposed Trump-Russia conspiracy to steal the election, but such a charge is not to be found.
The indictment excluding collusion also undermines the so-called Steele dossier, a work of opposition research paid for by the DNC and Clinton campaign masquerading as an intelligence document because it was compiled by a former MI6 agent. The memos falsely claimed, it turns out, that Trump’s people started colluding with Russia years before he became a candidate.
But even after Friday’s indictments failed to charge anyone from Trump’s team, the Democratic media continued to insist there was collusion. A New York Times story, headlined, “Trump Invited the Russians to Hack Clinton. Were They Listening?,” said Russia may have absurdly responded to Trump’s call at 10:30 a.m. on July 27, 2016 to hack Clinton’s private email server because it was “on or about” that day that Russia allegedly first made an attempt to hack Clinton’s personal emails, according to the indictment, which makes no connection between the two events.
If Russia is indeed guilty of remotely hacking the emails it would have had no evident need of assistance from anyone on the Trump team, let alone a public call from Trump on national TV to commence the operation.
Instead of Trump operatives, the indictments name 12 Russians, allegedly agents from the GRU, the Russian military intelligence agency. The agents “knowingly and intentionally conspired with each other, and with persons known and unknown to the Grand Jury (collectively the ‘Conspirators’), to gain unauthorized access (to ‘hack’) into the computers of U.S. persons and entities involved in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, steal documents from those computers, and stage releases of the stolen documents to interfere with the 2016 U.S. presidential election,” the 29-page indictment says.
“Starting in at least March 2016, the Conspirators used a variety of means to hack the email accounts of volunteers and employees of the U.S. presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton (the ‘Clinton Campaign’), including the email account of the Clinton Campaign’s chairman,” the indictment says.
Obvious Timing
The timing of the announcement was clearly intended to embarrass Trump as he was meeting the Queen and to undermine his upcoming meeting with Putin on July 16. The indictments may also have been meant to embarrass Russia two days before the World Cup final to be held in Moscow.
Pressure was immediately brought on Trump to cancel the summit in light of the indictments, which may have been the main goal in the timing of their announcement. “Glad-handing with Vladimir Putin on the heels of these indictments would be an insult to our democracy,” Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) said in a statement less than an hour after the indictments were announced. “President Trump should cancel his meeting with Vladimir Putin until Russia takes demonstrable and transparent steps to prove that they won’t interfere in future elections,” Schumer said.
With no apparent irony, The New York Times reported, “The timing of the indictment … added a jolt of tension to the already freighted atmosphere surrounding Mr. Trump’s meeting with Mr. Putin. It is all but certain to feed into the conspiratorial views held by the president and some of his allies that Mr. Mueller’s prosecutors are determined to undermine Mr. Trump’s designs for a rapprochement with Russia.” . . .
CrowdStrike’s Role
The indictment makes clear any evidence of an alleged hack of the DNC and DCCC computers did not come from the FBI, which was never given access to the computers by the DNC, but instead from the private firm CrowdStrike, which was hired by the DNC. It is referred to as Company 1 in the indictment.
“Despite the Conspirators’ efforts to hide their activity, beginning in or around May 2016, both the DCCC and DNC became aware that they had been hacked and hired a security company (“Company 1”) to identify the extent of the intrusions,” the indictment says.
The indictment doesn’t mention it, but within a day, CrowdStrike claimed to find Russian “fingerprints” in the metadata of a DNC opposition research document, which had been revealed by DCLeaks, showing Cyrillic letters and the name of the first Soviet intelligence chief. That supposedly implicated Russia in the hack.
CrowdStrike claimed the alleged Russian intelligence operation was extremely sophisticated and skilled in concealing its external penetration of the server. But CrowdStrike’s conclusion about Russian “fingerprints” resulted from clues that would have been left behind by extremely sloppy or amateur hackers—or inserted intentionally to implicate the Russians.
One of CrowdStrike’s founders has ties to the anti-Russian Atlantic Council raising questions of political bias. And the software it used to determine Russia’s alleged involvement in the DNC hack, was later proved to be faulty in a high-profile case in Ukraine, reported by the Voice of America.
The indictment then is based at least partially on evidence produced by an interested private company, rather than the FBI. . . "
alex4855 said:
oh, no.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RepStevenSmith/status/1018223507593932800/video/1
wow. that was a compelling argument.
drummerboy said:
alex4855 said:wow. that was a compelling argument.
oh, no.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RepStevenSmith/status/1018223507593932800/video/1
Yes, unfortunately he was.
OMG- Putin invites Muller to Russia to investigate with corresponding Russia interrogations of USA - investigate Clinton illegal sources contributions where funds are Russia based and no taxes paid. Ho Ho Ho... winter is coming !!! What a can of worms !!
Really sad. The real issue is Russian meddling, not collusion. While I don't doubt that there was at least intent to collude on the part of the Trump campaign, I would be amazed if Mueller charges Trump with collusion. In any cases, for Russian purposes, the appearance of collusion is sufficient. I think Mueller will charge people with more interesting crimes like hacking and money laundering.
Trump denies it probably for reasons of ego - I don't think he has gotten over the fact that he lost the popular vote to a woman.
alex4855 said:
OMG- Putin invites Muller to Russia to investigate with corresponding Russia interrogations of USA - investigate Clinton illegal sources contributions where funds are Russia based and no taxes paid. Ho Ho Ho... winter is coming !!! What a can of worms !!
Of course, such an investigation is rather less interesting since Clinton lost the election and will never return to the political stage.
tjohn said:
Really sad. The real issue is Russian meddling, not collusion.
Yes and no. It is about Russian meddling, but it's also about what Putin has one Trump that has prompted POTUS to turn on our allies and embrace our "biggest geopolitical foe," as some have called Russia.
One of CrowdStrike’s founders has ties to the anti-Russian Atlantic Council raising questions of political bias. And the software it used to determine Russia’s alleged involvement in the DNC hack, was later proved to be faulty in a high-profile case in Ukraine, reported by the Voice of America.
The indictment then is based at least partially on evidence produced by an interested private company, rather than the FBI. . . "
If CrowdStrike were trying to slant its findings from the server, it would be easy to compare their data to network traffic to verify that. Only time will tell.
alex4855 said:
Of course, that's it ! Trump delivers the body bags, then they both go off to lunch and formulate actions plans to deal with extradition, Hillary, her next campaign failure and Trump's 2020 victory. Trump World announces two new hotels in Moscow - Putin the financial partner. Perfect together. The best yet to come: a post luncheon agreement photo op with a misspelled reset button! The comrade is loving it.
@alex4855, credit where credit is due, today was a great victory for team putin
wedjet said:
John Bolton would do or say anything if it meant we could go to war with someone.
John Bolton is Putin's b1tch, just as much as Trump is Putin's b1tch
Ray McGovern, former CIA briefer of The President’s Daily Brief, and William Binney, former Technical Director at NSA critique the indictments and
Memo to the President Ahead of Monday’s Summit
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/07/15/memo-to-the-president-ahead-of-mondays-summit/
With Friday’s indictments of Russian intelligence officers, Ray McGovern and Bill Binney have written an open letter to President Trump making clear that the “evidence” behind the indictments is as fraudulent as the intelligence alleging WMD in Iraq. It is being published exclusively here ahead of the Trump-Putin summit on Monday.
"What Mueller Knows About the DNC Hack - And Trump Doesn't"
"First off, CrowdStrike, the company the DNC brought in to initially investigate and remediate the hack, actually shared images of the DNC servers with the FBI. For the purposes of an investigation of this type, images are much more useful than handing over metal and hardware, because they are bit-by-bit copies of a crime scene taken while the crime was going on. Live hard drive and memory snapshots of blinking, powered-on machines in a network reveal significantly more forensic data than some powered-off server removed from a network. It’s the difference between watching a house over time, carefully noting down who comes and goes and when and how, versus handing over a key to a lonely boarded-up building. By physically handing over a server to the FBI as Trump suggested, the DNC would in fact have destroyed evidence. (Besides, there wasn’t just one server, but 140.)"
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/17/dnc-server-hack-russia-trump-2016-219017
"I've spoken to two of the witnesses--neither from Crowdstrike--who presented some of the evidence to the grand jury."
nan said:
Ray McGovern, former CIA briefer of The President’s Daily Brief, and William Binney, former Technical Director at NSA critique the indictments and
Memo to the President Ahead of Monday’s Summit
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/07/15/memo-to-the-president-ahead-of-mondays-summit/
With Friday’s indictments of Russian intelligence officers, Ray McGovern and Bill Binney have written an open letter to President Trump making clear that the “evidence” behind the indictments is as fraudulent as the intelligence alleging WMD in Iraq. It is being published exclusively here ahead of the Trump-Putin summit on Monday.
McGovern retired in 1990 and Binney resigned in 2001.
Unless they are working for Mueller, I wouldn't pay much attention.
Trump saw Binney on Fox and instructed Pompeo, while he was CIA Director, to meet with Binney. After Pompeo met with Binney the CIA issued a statement which said the CIA stood by its assessment.
yahooyahoo said:
nan said:McGovern retired in 1990 and Binney resigned in 2001.
Ray McGovern, former CIA briefer of The President’s Daily Brief, and William Binney, former Technical Director at NSA critique the indictments and
Memo to the President Ahead of Monday’s Summit
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/07/15/memo-to-the-president-ahead-of-mondays-summit/
With Friday’s indictments of Russian intelligence officers, Ray McGovern and Bill Binney have written an open letter to President Trump making clear that the “evidence” behind the indictments is as fraudulent as the intelligence alleging WMD in Iraq. It is being published exclusively here ahead of the Trump-Putin summit on Monday.
Unless they are working for Mueller, I wouldn't pay much attention.
Binny and McGovern are part of a group called VIPS (Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity), who are ex-intelligence personal that try to verify claims made by the intelligence community. They have inside knowledge and extreme systems expertise. There views are not easily dismissed.
Binney (resigned in 2001) and McGovern's (CIA - 1990) inside knowledge and extreme systems expertise is like from eons ago - not sure why anyone takes them seriously - fortunately very few do.
If VIPS loses another member over disagreements they'll have to go singular.
nan said:
yahooyahoo said:Binny and McGovern are part of a group called VIPS (Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity), who are ex-intelligence personal that try to verify claims made by the intelligence community. They have inside knowledge and extreme systems expertise. There views are not easily dismissed.
nan said:McGovern retired in 1990 and Binney resigned in 2001.
Ray McGovern, former CIA briefer of The President’s Daily Brief, and William Binney, former Technical Director at NSA critique the indictments and
Memo to the President Ahead of Monday’s Summit
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/07/15/memo-to-the-president-ahead-of-mondays-summit/
With Friday’s indictments of Russian intelligence officers, Ray McGovern and Bill Binney have written an open letter to President Trump making clear that the “evidence” behind the indictments is as fraudulent as the intelligence alleging WMD in Iraq. It is being published exclusively here ahead of the Trump-Putin summit on Monday.
Unless they are working for Mueller, I wouldn't pay much attention.
wanna bet?
slight tangent, but here's a good article about the false issue raised by Trump today about the FBI never getting to look at the physical DNC server.
jamie said:
Binney (resigned in 2001) and McGovern's (CIA - 1990) inside knowledge and extreme systems expertise is like from eons ago - not sure why anyone takes them seriously - fortunately very few do.
Right, why take the guy who invented the systems to begin with seriously when you have this trustworthy truth teller:
nan said:
Ray McGovern, former CIA briefer of The President’s Daily Brief, and William Binney, former Technical Director at NSA critique the indictments and
Memo to the President Ahead of Monday’s Summit
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/07/15/memo-to-the-president-ahead-of-mondays-summit/
With Friday’s indictments of Russian intelligence officers, Ray McGovern and Bill Binney have written an open letter to President Trump making clear that the “evidence” behind the indictments is as fraudulent as the intelligence alleging WMD in Iraq. It is being published exclusively here ahead of the Trump-Putin summit on Monday.
Ray McGovern? Ray McGovern? Why does that name sound so familiar? Oh yeah! He was the guy calling Julian Assange a hero and voted for Jill Stein! Of course, Assange is the guy that fled to the Ecuadorian Embassy in London to escape arrest for sexual assault charges from Sweden (he allegedly raped two women).
Jill Stein? Jill Stein? Why does that name sound so familiar? Oh yeah! She was the answer to the trivia question "Guess who came to dinner with Mike Flynn and Vladimir Putin?" See https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696
Jill Stein is currently in the process of stealing all that money that was ostensibly given to her for the post-election recount.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/jill-steins-recount-cash-pays-for-her-russia-legal-defense
gerritn said:
nan said:Ray McGovern? Ray McGovern? Why does that name sound so familiar? Oh yeah! He was the guy calling Julian Assange a hero and voted for Jill Stein! Of course, Assange is the guy that fled to the Ecuadorian Embassy in London to escape arrest for sexual assault charges from Sweden (he allegedly raped two women).
Ray McGovern, former CIA briefer of The President’s Daily Brief, and William Binney, former Technical Director at NSA critique the indictments and
Memo to the President Ahead of Monday’s Summit
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/07/15/memo-to-the-president-ahead-of-mondays-summit/
With Friday’s indictments of Russian intelligence officers, Ray McGovern and Bill Binney have written an open letter to President Trump making clear that the “evidence” behind the indictments is as fraudulent as the intelligence alleging WMD in Iraq. It is being published exclusively here ahead of the Trump-Putin summit on Monday.
Jill Stein? Jill Stein? Why does that name sound so familiar? Oh yeah! She was the answer to the trivia question "Guess who came to dinner with Mike Flynn and Vladimir Putin?" See https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696
Julian Assange is a journalist, not a rapist. He was cleared of all those charges, which were made up. He has paid a great price to bring us the truth. Are you against journalism or free speech?
Jill Stein has nothing to do with Putin. And don't show me the picture of her eating at a dinner. I've seen it. Just google what she was doing there and educate yourself. You are clearly in need of some new news sources.
He wasn’t cleared, the Swedish government dropped the charges because they were too difficult to pursue and Swedish law dictates that the investigation has to close if it cannot be concluded quickly. Lawyers for the rape victim have said they’ll push for the charges to be reinstated is Assange re-enters Sweden before 2020, after which the statute of limitations passes.
"At this point, all possibilities to conduct the investigation are exhausted. In order to proceed with the case, Julian Assange would have to be formally notified of the criminal suspicions against him," the statement reads in part. "We cannot expect to receive assistance from Ecuador regarding this. Therefore the investigation is discontinued."
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John Bolton would do or say anything if it meant we could go to war with someone.