Trump has ordered strikes against Syria

 Mercedes,for example, is already making 900,000 units with its China joint venture this year, which will grow to 1.3 million units in 2020.   The point is China is its own growing domestic market and can rely less  on trade with the US until Trump is a footnote in history.

obsessing over trade deficits is another indication of how much Trump is in over his head on economic policy. 

The moron simply thinks a negative trade deficit is like not making a profit. He really can't explain it more than that.

sigh

ml1 said:
obsessing over trade deficits is another indication of how much Trump is in over his head on economic policy. 

dave said:
 Mercedes,for example, is already making 900,000 units with its China joint venture this year, which will grow to 1.3 million units in 2020.   The point is China is its own growing domestic market and can rely less  on trade with the US until Trump is a footnote in history.

The Trump steel tariff will hurt domestic manufacturers such as Mercedes and others who build here and export. When U.S. manufacturing cost increase, then the U.S. export market will increasingly be disadvantaged.

I guess China didn't quite roll over and die.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/1...

“Tsk, tsk, and after all the times I warned you and all the others not to pay attention to what he said but watch what he did.”

Shouldn’t we have a leader that like, does what he says? But everything is so twisted and wrong with that trump dude, he’s grossly inadequate.

nohero said:

BCC said: Well whooptydoo we have one individual who can come up with one minor issue (I don't recall his ever mentioning it but I could be wrong ) on which he agreed with Trump. We also have a list of some of the members of the MOL Cult, who have provided insults, personal attacks and excuses, but not a single major issue where they agreed with Trump. The mirror image remains intact.

Do you have any suggestions on what they should agree with, instead of criticizing?

nohero said:
Basically the same question as above, from yesterday on this thread -

nohero said:

BCC said: You're right, Trump's base will support any thing he does. What you have left out is the fact that MOL has it's own cult that is the mirror image of that base, and will trash anything that Trump does or says. Or tell me you don't know of any one on MOL who fits that description.

Do you have an example of any one on MOL who did "trash anything that Trump does or says", which they would not have trashed, or actually agreed with, if a Democrat did it?

 Two from this time yesterday.

tjohn said:
I guess China didn't quite roll over and die. http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/1...

Yeah, but don't you know?

Trade wars are good and they're so easy to win.

BG9 said:

tjohn said: I guess China didn't quite roll over and die. http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/1...

 Yeah, but don't you know?Trade wars are good and they're so easy to win.

Well, Trump did say that our farmers are good patriots and will happily take one for the team.

mem said:
“Tsk, tsk, and after all the times I warned you and all the others not to pay attention to what he said but watch what he did.” Shouldn’t we have a leader that like, does what he says? But everything is so twisted and wrong with that trump dude, he’s grossly inadequate.

 "Grossly inadequate"? You are being far too kind.

nohero said:

nohero said:

BCC said: Well whooptydoo we have one individual who can come up with one minor issue (I don't recall his ever mentioning it but I could be wrong ) on which he agreed with Trump. We also have a list of some of the members of the MOL Cult, who have provided insults, personal attacks and excuses, but not a single major issue where they agreed with Trump. The mirror image remains intact.

Do you have any suggestions on what they should agree with, instead of criticizing?

nohero said: Basically the same question as above, from yesterday on this thread -

nohero said:

BCC said: You're right, Trump's base will support any thing he does. What you have left out is the fact that MOL has it's own cult that is the mirror image of that base, and will trash anything that Trump does or says. Or tell me you don't know of any one on MOL who fits that description.

Do you have an example of any one on MOL who did "trash anything that Trump does or says", which they would not have trashed, or actually agreed with, if a Democrat did it?

 Two from this time yesterday.

 I know of one who said he agreed with Trump on some very minor issue. I don't recall his ever posting that agreement but I don't read everything posted.

When I asked for someone who supported Trump on a major issue there was no response.

The mirror image is intact.

BCC said:

When I asked for someone who supported Trump on a major issue there was no response. 

I had the same experience! So weird.

BCC said:

nohero said:

nohero said:

BCC said: Well whooptydoo we have one individual who can come up with one minor issue (I don't recall his ever mentioning it but I could be wrong ) on which he agreed with Trump. We also have a list of some of the members of the MOL Cult, who have provided insults, personal attacks and excuses, but not a single major issue where they agreed with Trump. The mirror image remains intact.

Do you have any suggestions on what they should agree with, instead of criticizing?

nohero said: Basically the same question as above, from yesterday on this thread -

nohero said:

BCC said: You're right, Trump's base will support any thing he does. What you have left out is the fact that MOL has it's own cult that is the mirror image of that base, and will trash anything that Trump does or says. Or tell me you don't know of any one on MOL who fits that description.

Do you have an example of any one on MOL who did "trash anything that Trump does or says", which they would not have trashed, or actually agreed with, if a Democrat did it?

 Two from this time yesterday.

 I know of one who said he agreed with Trump on some very minor issue. I don't recall his ever posting that agreement but I don't read everything posted. When I asked for someone who supported Trump on a major issue there was no response. The mirror image is intact.

BCC,

I actually think it is impossible for the Democrats to pick a candidate so odious that I would vote for Trump over the Democrat although I don't doubt that the Democrats will test me.

I will never agree with anything Trump does, period, although I may be happy if he occasionally blunders into a good outcome.  If, for example, he secured the real denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula in exchange for removing our permanent military presence, I would be pleased with that result.

As far as Syria is concerned, I was not ever wild about symbolically bombing Syria for using chemical weapons - not under Obama and not under Trump.  I can't say that I am passionately opposed to bombing but I just don't see where it is going.  I just want to see a sustained policy of disengaging militarily from the region.  We seem to be laboring, as usual in our conduct of world affairs, under the illusion that if we find just the right combination of the king's me and king's horses that we'll be able to put Humpty back together again.  This is a dangerous illusion, of course, that leads to endless partisan criticisms to the effect that the other party is doing it wrong.

nohero said:

nohero said:

BCC said: Well whooptydoo we have one individual who can come up with one minor issue (I don't recall his ever mentioning it but I could be wrong ) on which he agreed with Trump. We also have a list of some of the members of the MOL Cult, who have provided insults, personal attacks and excuses, but not a single major issue where they agreed with Trump. The mirror image remains intact.

Do you have any suggestions on what they should agree with, instead of criticizing?

nohero said: Basically the same question as above, from yesterday on this thread -

nohero said:

BCC said: You're right, Trump's base will support any thing he does. What you have left out is the fact that MOL has it's own cult that is the mirror image of that base, and will trash anything that Trump does or says. Or tell me you don't know of any one on MOL who fits that description.

Do you have an example of any one on MOL who did "trash anything that Trump does or says", which they would not have trashed, or actually agreed with, if a Democrat did it?

 Two from this time yesterday.

you're never going to get an answer to this.  

BCC said:

nohero said:

nohero said:

BCC said: Well whooptydoo we have one individual who can come up with one minor issue (I don't recall his ever mentioning it but I could be wrong ) on which he agreed with Trump. We also have a list of some of the members of the MOL Cult, who have provided insults, personal attacks and excuses, but not a single major issue where they agreed with Trump. The mirror image remains intact.

Do you have any suggestions on what they should agree with, instead of criticizing?

nohero said: Basically the same question as above, from yesterday on this thread -

nohero said:

BCC said: You're right, Trump's base will support any thing he does. What you have left out is the fact that MOL has it's own cult that is the mirror image of that base, and will trash anything that Trump does or says. Or tell me you don't know of any one on MOL who fits that description.

Do you have an example of any one on MOL who did "trash anything that Trump does or says", which they would not have trashed, or actually agreed with, if a Democrat did it?

 Two from this time yesterday.

 I know of one who said he agreed with Trump on some very minor issue. I don't recall his ever posting that agreement but I don't read everything posted. When I asked for someone who supported Trump on a major issue there was no response. The mirror image is intact.

 I'll take that as a "No".

BCC said:

 When I asked for someone who supported Trump on a major issue there was no response. The mirror image is intact.

 Not true. I responded. 

How can one support Trump on a major issue if he is constantly changing his position?

If I am wrong tell me a major issue on which you support Trump?

the pertinent question is -- what major Trump policy SHOULD be supported by liberals because it fits with liberal ideology?  I can't think of any.

ml1 said:
the pertinent question is -- what major Trump policy SHOULD be supported by liberals because it fits with liberal ideology?  I can't think of any.

The switch on marijuana enforcement is a legitimate issue that we can agree with - assuming it actually is made the policy of the DOJ.

But I tell you, I pay pretty close attention to what's going on, and I can't think of anything else of any significance that I agree with. If there was one, I'd remember, I'm sure.

Claims of knee jerk reactions fall short of being meaningful without 

1. examples of policies we "should" support

2. compelling counter arguments against why we disagree with a policy.

Unlike the average Republican, I see a lot of consistency among MOL liberals regarding policy. It doesn't really matter who enacts the policy, whether it be Dem or Repub - we will agree or disagree based on the merits, not on the party.

As Dave pointed out earlier:

DaveSchmidt said: With the caveat that no two situations are exactly alike, here are results from ABC/Washington Post polls in 2013 and 2017 regarding strikes against Syria (threatened by Obama, ordered by Trump) in response to chemical attacks: Support among Democrats in 2013: 38 percent. Last year: 37 percent. Support among Republicans in 2013: 22 percent. Last year: 86 percent.

There are many examples of the Republicans switching their support for a policy simply by changing who enacted it - while the Dems show consistency, regardless of who enacted it.

If you're looking for knee jerk reactions, look to the R's, not the D's.

good point drummer boy!

tjohn said:

BCC said:

Consider this: There is no trade war, only talk of tariffs being raised. Meanwhile, quietly, China cut it's tariffs on the US and Trump gave up nothing. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trade-war-fears-abate-china-194250445.html Markets that have been skittish in recent weeks over trade war fears received a shot in the arm Tuesday from Chinese President Xi Jinping. The Dow Jones Industrial Average pushed up 1.6% to 24,351, while the S&P 500 popped 1.3% to 2,647 after the Chinese leader struck a placatory tone on trade in a speech Tuesday at the Boao Forum for Asia. The Chinese president said he would lower tariffs on vehicles, while working to enforce protections on intellectual property rights—two areas for which President Donald Trump has previously criticized the Middle Kingdom. Do you support Trump? 

Of 4 leaders - Trump, Putin, Modi and Xi Jinping, only Modi and Xi Jinping has plans for their countries that amount to more than old fogeys popping Viagra so that they can cavort with porn starts.  Modi is trying to modernize India's economy.  Xi Jinping is following a plan to restore China to the point where neighboring nations are clearly subordinate as was the case during periods of Chinese strength in the past.So, I suggest you look at the fine print of Xi Jinping's comments and tell me if there is any substance.  My take on Xi Jinping is that he knows he is dealing with a spoiled brat inclined to throw tantrums and will act accordingly.  One thing Xi Jinping won't do is make brash statements just to show he can still get it up as Trump is wont to do.

Be careful who you hold up as aspirational models.  

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/0...

LOST said:

BCC said:

 When I asked for someone who supported Trump on a major issue there was no response. The mirror image is intact.

 Not true. I responded. How can one support Trump on a major issue if he is constantly changing his position? If I am wrong tell me a major issue on which you support Trump?

Kindly give me a link to your response

BCC said:

LOST said:

BCC said:

 When I asked for someone who supported Trump on a major issue there was no response. The mirror image is intact.

 Not true. I responded. How can one support Trump on a major issue if he is constantly changing his position? If I am wrong tell me a major issue on which you support Trump?

 Kindly give me a link to your response

geez, too lazy to scroll through a handful of pages?

drummerboy said:

The switch on marijuana enforcement is a legitimate issue that we can agree with - assuming it actually is made the policy of the DOJ.

if he actually does that, I'll be in support. But as with all things Trump, I'll believe it when I see it, and not until. 

tjohn said:

BCC said:

nohero said:

nohero said:

BCC said: Well whooptydoo we have one individual who can come up with one minor issue (I don't recall his ever mentioning it but I could be wrong ) on which he agreed with Trump. We also have a list of some of the members of the MOL Cult, who have provided insults, personal attacks and excuses, but not a single major issue where they agreed with Trump. The mirror image remains intact.

Do you have any suggestions on what they should agree with, instead of criticizing?

nohero said: Basically the same question as above, from yesterday on this thread -

nohero said:

BCC said: You're right, Trump's base will support any thing he does. What you have left out is the fact that MOL has it's own cult that is the mirror image of that base, and will trash anything that Trump does or says. Or tell me you don't know of any one on MOL who fits that description.

Do you have an example of any one on MOL who did "trash anything that Trump does or says", which they would not have trashed, or actually agreed with, if a Democrat did it?

 Two from this time yesterday.

 I know of one who said he agreed with Trump on some very minor issue. I don't recall his ever posting that agreement but I don't read everything posted. When I asked for someone who supported Trump on a major issue there was no response. The mirror image is intact.

 BCC, I actually think it is impossible for the Democrats to pick a candidate so odious that I would vote for Trump over the Democrat although I don't doubt that the Democrats will test me. I will never agree with anything Trump does, period, although I may be happy if he occasionally blunders into a good outcome.  If, for example, he secured the real denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula in exchange for removing our permanent military presence, I would be pleased with that result. As far as Syria is concerned, I was not ever wild about symbolically bombing Syria for using chemical weapons - not under Obama and not under Trump.  I can't say that I am passionately opposed to bombing but I just don't see where it is going.  I just want to see a sustained policy of disengaging militarily from the region.  We seem to be laboring, as usual in our conduct of world affairs, under the illusion that if we find just the right combination of the king's me and king's horses that we'll be able to put Humpty back together again.  This is a dangerous illusion, of course, that leads to endless partisan criticisms to the effect that the other party is doing it wrong.

 The Dems most surely picked a candidate as odious as Trump and the polls consistently showed it. That's why I didn't vote for President. I believe if either party had offered some one else s/he would have won.

I supported the bombing when I saw France and the UK taking part in it. I support his attempt to settle matters with NOKO without a war.

The reason I warn against taking anything he says as gospel is simple< There are times he is clearly FOS. There are other times when he is bargaining over a deal, and too many people on MOL don't seem to understand how that works. And occasionally some one convinces him he's wrong and he changes his mind e.g. when Mattis changed it instantly by telling him he could do better with a pack of cigarettes and a couple of cold ones than water boarding.

BCC said:

LOST said:

BCC said:

 When I asked for someone who supported Trump on a major issue there was no response. The mirror image is intact.

 Not true. I responded. How can one support Trump on a major issue if he is constantly changing his position? If I am wrong tell me a major issue on which you support Trump?

 Kindly give me a link to your response

So are you going to share the Trump policies you support? There must be some significant ones given how riled up you get about other MOLers not doing so.

dave23 said:

BCC said:

LOST said:

BCC said:

 When I asked for someone who supported Trump on a major issue there was no response. The mirror image is intact.

 Not true. I responded. How can one support Trump on a major issue if he is constantly changing his position? If I am wrong tell me a major issue on which you support Trump?

 Kindly give me a link to your response

 So are you going to share the Trump policies you support? There must be some significant ones given how riled up you get about other MOLers not doing so.

Before you get riled up you really should read what I write.

"The Dems most surely picked a candidate as odious as Trump and the polls consistently showed it. That's why I didn't vote for President. I believe if either party had offered some one else s/he would have won."

But Hillary won the popular vote by almost 3 million votes, so that statement is wrong. Hillary may have a lot of baggage, but she is certainly not "odious", unless you fell for the fake Russian news, i.e., pizzagate, the emails!, or Benghazi. Ugh. 

dave23 said:

BCC said:

LOST said:

BCC said:

 When I asked for someone who supported Trump on a major issue there was no response. The mirror image is intact.

 Not true. I responded. How can one support Trump on a major issue if he is constantly changing his position? If I am wrong tell me a major issue on which you support Trump?

 Kindly give me a link to your response

 So are you going to share the Trump policies you support? There must be some significant ones given how riled up you get about other MOLers not doing so.

 I don't get riled up. I simply explain why you are wrong. It takes time.

BCC said:

Before you get riled up you really should read what I write.

I do. In this thread you just said it was joined and supported, then commented on Schumer's support, then moved on to attacking people because you think they oppose Trump just because he's Trump.

So I will take it that you support the airstrike. Do you support his overall Syria strategy?

mem said:
"The Dems most surely picked a candidate as odious as Trump and the polls consistently showed it. That's why I didn't vote for President. I believe if either party had offered some one else s/he would have won." But Hillary won the popular vote by almost 3 million votes, so that statement is wrong. Hillary may have a lot of baggage, but she is certainly not "odious", unless you fell for the fake Russian news, i.e., pizzagate, the emails!, or Benghazi. Ugh. 

 As far as trustworthy and honest were concerned both candidates were at the bottom of the list.

We will see who fell for what when Horowitz publishes results of his investigation next month.