SUVs double pedestrians’ risk of death
You have inferred my intention incorrectly. I hope you do take me at my word. I have not stated, nor do I feel, that it's obsolete for other than sport and utility.
Most things carry danger, and that's not a reason not to use them, but it is a reason to know the dangers.
only one person is being insulting toward SUV owners. The rest of us are just discussing the reality of sharing the road with taller, heavier, less maneuverable vehicles. No offense intended. It is what it is.
Tom_Reingold said:
@kibbegirl, that wasn't my intention. I just think it's good to know the risks and facts. We drive an SUV, also, because we have a lot of construction hauling to do, and we also use it to carry our bikes on adventures.
You got to be kidding me
So SUVs are death missiles for fat ***** until you're in yours running an errand or going on an 'adventure'?
GTFOH
flimbro said:
You got to be kidding me
So SUVs are death missiles for fat ***** until you're in yours running an errand or going on an 'adventure'?
GTFOH
I didn't say any of that.
What a contentious uncivil discussion. I really should just stick to Soapbox-Politics. 
You’re absolutely right Tom you never said they were death missiles for fat azzes. I apologize. You intimated they were dangerous vehicles that kill people as a public service. Except of course when you are behind the wheel then they are perfectly acceptable and safe.
The article you posted is fifteen years old- obviously American pedestrians are bigger and heartier nowadays. Much more capable of sustaining a brush with an SUV or the occasional bicyclist who refuses to obey traffic laws.
I’d write more but it’s difficult to type while I’m hooking this uturn on Sloan St to get that parking space in front of Starbucks in my 6000 lb Range Rover.
It became contentious and insulting when non-SUV owners thought it a good idea to give reasons why SUV’s are hazardous and too tall. LOL! I was literally behind a tractor trailer earlier today on Scotland. Should I begin a thread?
LOST said:
What a contentious uncivil discussion. I really should just stick to Soapbox-Politics.
flimbro said:
You’re absolutely right Tom you never said they were death missiles for fat azzes. I apologize. You intimated they were dangerous vehicles that kill people as a public service. Except of course when you are behind the wheel then they are perfectly acceptable and safe.
The article you posted is fifteen years old- obviously American pedestrians are bigger and heartier nowadays. Much more capable of sustaining a brush with an SUV or the occasional bicyclist who refuses to obey traffic laws.
These are more words being put in my mouth. I've said a lot less than is being attributed to me. I don't know why you want to go to such effort.
Driving a sedan is dangerous, too. It's a lot more dangerous than some people seem to think. I've been saying this for years.
It would be silly of me to suggest that people should stop driving motor vehicles, given that I still drive them. It is not silly, however, to point out the dangers they carry.
kibbegirl said:
It became contentious and insulting when non-SUV owners thought it a good idea to give reasons why SUV’s are hazardous and too tall. LOL! I was literally behind a tractor trailer earlier today on Scotland. Should I begin a thread?
It is hard to see around a taller vehicle than your own. That's true. But I'm not advocating their removal from roads. Tractor trailers are useful, just as SUVs are, so we should keep them. Jeez, do I really have to say this?
kibbegirl said:
It became contentious and insulting when non-SUV owners thought it a good idea to give reasons why SUV’s are hazardous and too tall. LOL! I was literally behind a tractor trailer earlier today on Scotland. Should I begin a thread?
LOST said:
What a contentious uncivil discussion. I really should just stick to Soapbox-Politics.
ON the off-chance that we could be a little serious here, were you trying to cross the street while standing behind a tractor-trailer earlier today on Scotland, or just driving behind another vehicle?
Because some truck-based cars, parked in car parking spaces, are too tall for street traffic to see when pedestrians step out to cross the street. I believe that was the argument being made there.
"Choice" is merely a meaningless figment spun by American corporate rule/Newspeak. I would CHOOSE to ride reliable, high-speed rail--which some other countries, btw, actually enjoy. I would CHOOSE to have single-payer health care and an educational system where the public, not private, institutions are regarded as being of higher quality (again as is the case in most other "advanced" countries).
Your "choice" is a privileged indulgence, and it sounds like you seek and relish it regardless of consequences to others.
Seemingly there are quite a few of you who don't like nor don't have uses for owning an SUV. The greatness of consumerism is choice. I choose to own and drive an SUV and have done so for many, many years. I also have a smaller vehicle. If you don't like them for a variety of reasons, don't purchase one. I see no need to start sh!t on a community board chastising others about their PERSONAL CHOICE PURCHASES.
I posted a few years ago on this board that some anonymous dick left a note for me on the window of my SUV (and others) telling me what a horrible person I was for... driving an SUV. I don't eat meat. Should I go into all the spots in S.O. and finger point, harass and chastise meat eaters? No. I mind my effing business and allow meat eaters to eat meat. Know why? It's THEIR CHOICE.
PERSONAL CHOICE PRIVILEGES is an excuse of those who lay waste to the ecosystem and so exploit the less advantaged and entitled.
Reminds one of that vastly stupid term, "war of choice," to describe the American invasion, occupation and genocide carried out in Iraq (as in so many other places)!
Let's not mince posts.
ml1 said:
only one person is being insulting toward SUV owners. The rest of us are just discussing the reality of sharing the road with taller, heavier, less maneuverable vehicles. No offense intended. It is what it is.
Breaking News: jumping out of an SUV while someone else is driving it could be dangerous
Hey, how about that CHOICE between crooked Hillary and crotch-grabber Trump?
Unless you live in a hut you built, read by candlelight and make your own clothing from hemp you grew, please don't worry about wha the eff I purchase and how I use my purchases. Until I come to you for money to assist my SUV and car notes, yeah, NOTES cuz we have a few, again, none of your concern. You may only come for my neck if you see that I've created a kickstarter to help me pay for my entitled and advantaged purchases.
mff said:
PERSONAL CHOICE PRIVILEGES is an excuse of those who lay waste to the ecosystem and so exploit the less advantaged and entitled.
I don't worry in the slightest about your types. Get off your nearly LITERAL high horse.
Girl, this society isn't going to last, and when it goes, the SUV crowd will be first.
kibbegirl said:
Unless you live in a hut you built, read by candlelight and make your own clothing from hemp you grew, please don't worry about wha the eff I purchase and how I use my purchases. Until I come to you for money to assist my SUV and car notes, yeah, NOTES cuz we have a few, again, none of your concern. You may only come for my neck if you see that I've created a kickstarter to help me pay for my entitled and advantaged purchases.
mff said:
PERSONAL CHOICE PRIVILEGES is an excuse of those who lay waste to the ecosystem and so exploit the less advantaged and entitled.
There's little as bracing as arguing sociology or politics with brainwashed consumers; or should that be, as pointless?
" the American invasion, occupation and genocide carried out in Iraq"
Which was entirely about your oil, folks!
@mff... you sound like an adolescent, complete with abbreviated thoughts and typos. I will leave you to fester in your thoughts that the world really cares who you are, what you think and what you think of others. Enjoy being mundane. I have a feeling you don't even have a license or own a car. 
Wow. Such a take-down! Literate, literary and profound.
You must be a philosopher.
If I ever went to Burger King I might meet you.
I accept your ageist jab as a compliment.
I'm in my 60s.
The only hope for this world are the teenagers.
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That's how YOU use it. So unless you use it for sport and utility, it's completely obsolete? You don't know how SUV's are used by families and no one needs to know that info unless surveys are being conducted.
And because I can't enter your mind to gain your intention, I will surrender to the fact that this was indeed not your intention but my gut feels otherwise. Your entire thread and those commenting was based on SUV weight dangers, how others can't see around them, and the best, the interpretation that SUV owners are just complete aholes and shouldn't share the road with others. We're grown. We can read, research and make sound decisions based on income and need and buy what we want to buy. Again, it never ceases to amaze me that some of the MAPSO crowd can be so friggin pious about almost everything that they don't happen to like, use or understand. Bet if I opened any of your medicine cabinets and kitchen cupboards, I'd find a myriad of peal clutching revelations, but lord forbid someone drive an SUV? M'kay.