JIMMY DORE is "ready to go out and get this [Covid-19] virus and get back to life"
paulsurovell said:
Excellent article. Lauria didn't mention that Trump's abuse of power involved personal political gain which I think merits censure, but that doesn't compare to the US role in overthrowing the elected Ukrainian government as an abuse of power.
It would be hard to find a more screamingly ignorant post that that one.
There's ignorance of authoritative guidance of the purpose of impeachment in the U.S. Constitution, and what acts could be considered impeachable.
There's ignorance in repeating propaganda against the people of Ukraine. In reality, Ukrainians rid themselves of a pro-Putin government, and have now held TWO free and fair elections as a consequence.
paulsurovell said:
But you are talking to guys who won't even admit that genocidal sanctions constitute US "meddling" in Venezuela:
Two thoughts:
1. Your post is a ridiculous and dishonest "summary" of what Mr. Drummerboy and I wrote in the posts you cited. I cannot understand why you keep doing that during discussions on this message board. That just provokes bad feelings and disgust. Are you fishing for an insult so you could feel "superior"?
2. The proper analogy for Russia's actions in Ukraine isn't the U.S. policy towards Venezuela. The proper analogy is the Sudetenland, followed by the Anschluss.
nohero said:
paulsurovell said:
Excellent article. Lauria didn't mention that Trump's abuse of power involved personal political gain which I think merits censure, but that doesn't compare to the US role in overthrowing the elected Ukrainian government as an abuse of power.
It would be hard to find a more screamingly ignorant post that that one.
There's ignorance of authoritative guidance of the purpose of impeachment in the U.S. Constitution, and what acts could be considered impeachable.
There's ignorance in repeating propaganda against the people of Ukraine. In reality, Ukrainians rid themselves of a pro-Putin government, and have now held TWO free and fair elections as a consequence.
It's a fact that the US was intimately involved in the coup that overthrew Yanukovych, before, during and after. One of the examples of our involvement after the coup was Biden's extortion of the Ukrainian president to force him to appoint a minister of our choice. Was that respectful of the Ukrainian people?
Is there a video that explains all the differences between Crimea and the Sudetenland?
terp said:
I don't say this to defend Putin, but when we are willing to intervene as far away from home as we are, Crimea has been well within the Russian umbrella for a long time and has significant military value. This is not some example of some super aggression and does not rise near to the level of the aggression that the US Military has been up to the last generation or two.
I don't see how US actions have any bearing here. Are you saying that other county's actions should always be interpreted by comparing them to US actions? That US actions against countries that are closer to it geographically -- that have "well within the [American] umbrella for a long time," are more acceptable? Or what, exactly?
paulsurovell said:
nohero said:
paulsurovell said:
Excellent article. Lauria didn't mention that Trump's abuse of power involved personal political gain which I think merits censure, but that doesn't compare to the US role in overthrowing the elected Ukrainian government as an abuse of power.
It would be hard to find a more screamingly ignorant post that that one.
There's ignorance of authoritative guidance of the purpose of impeachment in the U.S. Constitution, and what acts could be considered impeachable.
There's ignorance in repeating propaganda against the people of Ukraine. In reality, Ukrainians rid themselves of a pro-Putin government, and have now held TWO free and fair elections as a consequence.
It's a fact that the US was intimately involved in the coup that overthrew Yanukovych, before, during and after. One of the examples of our involvement after the coup was Biden's extortion of the Ukrainian president to force him to appoint a minister of our choice. Was that respectful of the Ukrainian people?
you and nan really need to get a grip on what the word coup means.
and you could also stop repeating the nonsense about Biden, because you know damn well that's about 1/10 of the whole story.
paulsurovell said:
One of the examples of our involvement after the coup was Biden's extortion of the Ukrainian president to force him to appoint a minister of our choice. Was that respectful of the Ukrainian people?
Paul, the foundation of your question is a LIE. There are actual facts which have been pointed out on these threads which show that.
You can't plead ignorance that you are pushing a lie.
terp said:
Actually, if you wouldn't mind talking to David Watts, that would be great. I wish I could be like that guy.
So gay and fancy free.
nohero said:
paulsurovell said:
One of the examples of our involvement after the coup was Biden's extortion of the Ukrainian president to force him to appoint a minister of our choice. Was that respectful of the Ukrainian people?
Paul, the foundation of your question is a LIE. There are actual facts which have been pointed out on these threads which show that.
You can't plead ignorance that you are pushing a lie.
You mean we shouldn't believe our lying eyes and ears?
drummerboy said:
paulsurovell said:
nohero said:
paulsurovell said:
Excellent article. Lauria didn't mention that Trump's abuse of power involved personal political gain which I think merits censure, but that doesn't compare to the US role in overthrowing the elected Ukrainian government as an abuse of power.
It would be hard to find a more screamingly ignorant post that that one.
There's ignorance of authoritative guidance of the purpose of impeachment in the U.S. Constitution, and what acts could be considered impeachable.
There's ignorance in repeating propaganda against the people of Ukraine. In reality, Ukrainians rid themselves of a pro-Putin government, and have now held TWO free and fair elections as a consequence.
It's a fact that the US was intimately involved in the coup that overthrew Yanukovych, before, during and after. One of the examples of our involvement after the coup was Biden's extortion of the Ukrainian president to force him to appoint a minister of our choice. Was that respectful of the Ukrainian people?
you and nan really need to get a grip on what the word coup means.
and you could also stop repeating the nonsense about Biden, because you know damn well that's about 1/10 of the whole story.
Well I agree that this is more than 1/10 of the story:
We know from the leaked,
early 2014 telephone conversation between Victoria Nuland, then
assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, and
Geoffrey Pyatt, then U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, that then Vice
President Biden played a role in “midwifing” the U.S.-backed overthrow
of an elected Ukrainian government soon after that conversation.
Can someone point to the Dore video that highlight's Jared and Ivanka making $82 million last year (while working IN the White House)?
What is the ratio of Dore talking about Hunter making $50,000 a month compared to Jared and Ivanka making $6.83 million a month? He probably has a talk about Ivanka's trademarks in Chine at least.
paulsurovell said:
nohero said:
paulsurovell said:
One of the examples of our involvement after the coup was Biden's extortion of the Ukrainian president to force him to appoint a minister of our choice. Was that respectful of the Ukrainian people?
Paul, the foundation of your question is a LIE. There are actual facts which have been pointed out on these threads which show that.
You can't plead ignorance that you are pushing a lie.
You mean we shouldn't believe our lying eyes and ears?
No, we should believe our eyes and ears.
Not the garbage you keep claiming to be "facts".
jamie said:
Can someone point to the Dore video that highlight's Jared and Ivanka making $82 million last year (while working IN the White House)?
What is the ratio of Dore talking about Hunter making $50,000 a month compared to Jared and Ivanka making $6.83 million a month? He probably has a talk about Ivanka's trademarks in Chine at least.
There is no need for Jimmy Dore, an independent news analyst, to talk about Ivanka and Jared. That is covered plenty by MSNBC/CNN. Dore covers the stuff they don't cover, like this:
nan said:
There is no need for Jimmy Dore, an independent news analyst, to talk about Ivanka and Jared. That is covered plenty by MSNBC/CNN. Dore covers the stuff they don't cover, like this:
Without Jimmy Dore, we'd be deprived of that type of essential, hard-hitting journalism on critical issues like that.
nan said:
There is no need for Jimmy Dore, an independent news analyst, to talk about Ivanka and Jared. That is covered plenty by MSNBC/CNN. Dore covers the stuff they don't cover, like this:
Bernie is down to 11% in the latest CNN poll. Is Jimmy Dore going to cover that?
sbenois said:
Bernie is down to 11% in the latest CNN poll. Is Jimmy Dore going to cover that?
Jimmy's working on uncovering how Hillary is rigging those polls.
sbenois said:
Bernie is down to 11% in the latest CNN poll. Is Jimmy Dore going to cover that?
Jimmy backs Tulsi.
nohero said:
Without Jimmy Dore, we'd be deprived of that type of essential, hard-hitting journalism on critical issues like that.
Don't think I would have made it through Hillary on the View without him.
Dore basically is cashing in on the anti-Hillary crowd. It’s a cult following for those who don’t actually read the news. It’s like a stand up, cherry picked twitter rant.
jamie said:
Dore basically is cashing in on the anti-Hillary crowd. It’s a cult following for those who don’t actually read the news. It’s like a stand up, cherry picked twitter rant.
The job of media is to speak truth to power, but sadly our mainstream media sucks up to power and shills for the deep state. So, there is plenty of room for a mediocre comedian like Dore to broadcast out of his garage and connect with viewers who reject the bad neoliberal policies of the past few decades, and the Democratic abandonment of the working class. Dore's strength is his ability to vocalize the rage so many feel and the dark humor they use to cope.
Of course, the appeal of Jimmy Dore will be lost on anyone who beatifically swallows MSNBC/CNN's spewed propaganda whole. They will just be scratching their heads and wondering why he's not talking about "unifying" the Dems to "oppose" Trump.
And are all of us who don't like Dore getting our news from CNN and MSNBC - and this is why we don't like or get him?
jamie said:
And are all of us who don't like Dore getting our news from CNN and MSNBC - and this is why we don't like or get him?
I have no idea, but I have yet to meet anyone who gets all their news from MSNBC/CNN who like Dore. They are often quite frightened and get angry and say bad things about him before running away. He's just a self-proclaimed "jagoff comedian" broadcasting out of his garage. No need to be scared, although he does bite.
so - why would people who don't go to cnn and msnbc dislike Dore? Could it be because half of what he says is repeated on a daily basis? Or that his people spend all day watching the MSM to cherry pick news stories instead of providing any original reporting himself? Or that he can't help but curse every other word so get a laugh (a very Trumpian and hack comedian tactic).
Here's the clip of Hillary from the view - you can really understand how Dore sensationalizes and hacks apart people he doesn't like. Again - I'm amazed that some democrats are eating his stuff up. But it does tend to be the Bernie Crowd.
This Dore video gets to the point in the anti-anti-Trump thread. They're obsessed with Hillary's failure, convinced that they have the true truth as to why she lost. (They don't) It helps no one and serves to feed his viewers they're over-inflated egos about how they know it all. Plus, it's lazy.
ridski said:
The people of Scotland voted to stay in Europe. Can France annex them?
Yes the majority of Scotland voted to remain. After Brexit Scotland could independently vote to rejoin the EU and be under the "tender embrace of Germany", where Wolfgang Schauble and Brussels would be in charge of domestic budgets and rule out deficit spending so the only choice would be contracting the economy (e.g. austerity in Greece). As explained here is the video without Dore's noise. Note that there is no mention of "dropping the Euro" as mentioned in other posts.
"It's a revolt against technocracy. It's a revolt against governance by unrepresented, unelected, undemocratic elites."
lord_pabulum said:
ridski said:
The people of Scotland voted to stay in Europe. Can France annex them?
Yes the majority of Scotland voted to remain. After Brexit Scotland could independently vote to rejoin the EU and be under the "tender embrace of Germany", where Wolfgang Schauble and Brussels would be in charge of domestic budgets and rule out deficit spending so the only choice would be contracting the economy (e.g. austerity in Greece). As explained here is the video without Dore's noise. Note that there is no mention of "dropping the Euro" as mentioned in other posts.
"It's a revolt against technocracy. It's a revolt against governance by unrepresented, unelected, undemocratic elites."
+10
lord_pabulum said:
Yes the majority of Scotland voted to remain. After Brexit Scotland could independently vote to rejoin the EU and be under the "tender embrace of Germany", where Wolfgang Schauble and Brussels would be in charge of domestic budgets and rule out deficit spending so the only choice would be contracting the economy (e.g. austerity in Greece). As explained here is the video without Dore's noise. Note that there is no mention of "dropping the Euro" as mentioned in other posts.
"It's a revolt against technocracy. It's a revolt against governance by unrepresented, unelected, undemocratic elites."
Okay, but the question was can France annex Scotland?
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