JIMMY DORE is "ready to go out and get this [Covid-19] virus and get back to life"
@ridski I thought it was a rhetorical question.
@DaveSchmidt: I could see that. I would have to search for and read the article in the Gaurdian for more detail.
ETA: A 'dropping the Euro' 2018 article by the writer mentioned in the Blyth video
ridski said:
Okay, but the question was can France annex Scotland?
Haggis Cordon Bleu?
the phrase "ruled by unelected bureaucrats" sounds eminently poll-tested and focus group approved. But it's a pretty meaningless phrase regarding the EU, since the phrase describes the UK itself fairly well. Or the U.S. for that matter. I never voted for Mitch McConnell or Nancy Pelosi. Nor any members of Trump's cabinet. Or the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Or the thousands of members of the State Department, NSA, FBI, etc., etc.
Maybe those Calexit people were on to something.
ml1 said:
the phrase "ruled by unelected bureaucrats" sounds eminently poll-tested and focus group approved. But it's a pretty meaningless phrase regarding the EU, since the phrase describes the UK itself fairly well. Or the U.S. for that matter. I never voted for Mitch McConnell or Nancy Pelosi. Nor any members of Trump's cabinet. Or the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Or the thousands of members of the State Department, NSA, FBI, etc., etc.
Maybe those Calexit people were on to something.
EU parliament cannot propose legislation. Instead such legislation is proposed by the EU commission in concert with the EU president. Neither, the EU Commission nor the EU president is popularly elected. Hence, the reference to unelected bureaucrats.
RealityForAll said:
EU parliament cannot propose legislation. Instead such legislation is proposed by the EU commission in concert with the EU president. Neither, the EU Commission nor the EU president is popularly elected. Hence, the reference to unelected bureaucrats.
I know this. Nothing in my post suggests that I didn't.
I have two questions
1. How did this thread become a discussion of Brexit?
2. What is an "elected" bureaucrat?
nan said:
I have no idea, but I have yet to meet anyone who gets all their news from MSNBC/CNN who like Dore. They are often quite frightened and get angry and say bad things about him before running away. He's just a self-proclaimed "jagoff comedian" broadcasting out of his garage. No need to be scared, although he does bite.
Other than on MOL I have never met anyone, no matter from where they get their news, that has ever heard of Jimmy Dore.
STANV said:
I have two questions
1. How did this thread become a discussion of Brexit?
2. What is an "elected" bureaucrat?
"unelected bureaucrats" is a talking point all over the world. In the U.S. too:
Unelected bureaucrats are running our lives
If people want to complain about bureaucracies and unelected people running their lives, it's kind of arbitrary to apply it to the EU but not to the UK itself, or the US, where a great deal of our federal government is also not directly elected.
ml1 said:
STANV said:
I have two questions
1. How did this thread become a discussion of Brexit?
2. What is an "elected" bureaucrat?
"unelected bureaucrats" is a talking point all over the world. In the U.S. too:
Unelected bureaucrats are running our lives
If people want to complain about bureaucracies and unelected people running their lives, it's kind of arbitrary to apply it to the EU but not to the UK itself, or the US, where a great deal of our federal government is also not directly elected.
Can someone complain that we're supposed to be a republic rather than a democracy and also complain about unelected bureaucrats? Is it the fact that they're unelected, or the fact that they're bureaucrats, that's the problem?
A Republic is simply a country without a hereditary leader. a Republic can be a Democratic Republic a Representative Republic, a Socialist Republic, a "Peoples" Republic and I suppose, a Fascist Republic.
It's just not a Monarchy.
PVW said:
ml1 said:
STANV said:
I have two questions
1. How did this thread become a discussion of Brexit?
2. What is an "elected" bureaucrat?
"unelected bureaucrats" is a talking point all over the world. In the U.S. too:
Unelected bureaucrats are running our lives
If people want to complain about bureaucracies and unelected people running their lives, it's kind of arbitrary to apply it to the EU but not to the UK itself, or the US, where a great deal of our federal government is also not directly elected.
Can someone complain that we're supposed to be a republic rather than a democracy and also complain about unelected bureaucrats? Is it the fact that they're unelected, or the fact that they're bureaucrats, that's the problem?
The federal administrative agencies grow in power day by day. The administrative state lacks transparency and operates without much voter input (generally no voter input). See link below.
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"The growing dominance of the federal government over the states has obscured more fundamental changes within the federal government itself: It is not just bigger, it is dangerously off kilter. Our carefully constructed system of checks and balances is being negated by the rise of a fourth branch, an administrative state of sprawling departments and agencies that govern with increasing autonomy and decreasing transparency."
PVW said:
Can someone complain that we're supposed to be a republic rather than a democracy and also complain about unelected bureaucrats? Is it the fact that they're unelected, or the fact that they're bureaucrats, that's the problem?
whichever it is, the bureaucrats are obligated to follow the laws which are passed by our elected representatives. (and yet signed into law by someone not directly elected by the people)
Sometimes the bureaucrats "interpret" the laws in such a way as to circumvent or contradict what the Legislators actually intended. I have been involved in litigation over an Administrative Rule enacted by a State Agency that completely contradicted the law upon which it was based.
Remember the Tea Party tax exemption controversy?
lord_pabulum said:
@ridski I thought it was a rhetorical question.
It was, and I wasn't asking you.
STANV said:
Sometimes the bureaucrats "interpret" the laws in such a way as to circumvent or contradict what the Legislators actually intended. I have been involved in litigation over an Administrative Rule enacted by a State Agency that completely contradicted the law upon which it was based.
Remember the Tea Party tax exemption controversy?
but isn't that what courts are for? To ensure the laws are being enforced properly?
I guess my point is that using the claim that the EU is run by unelected bureaucrats as a rationale for Brexit is ignoring the fact that virtually every nation on earth is being run by a combination of leaders who are elected indirectly, and a host of unelected bureaucrats.
ridski said:
lord_pabulum said:
@ridski I thought it was a rhetorical question.
It was, and I wasn't asking you.
Did the person you asked, answer your question to your satisfaction?
I opened this thread because I did not know who the man was. Now I don’t know how to shut him up!
Here's Dore's latest. It's on how Warren lies and will be eaten alive by Trump.
Can we just admit that Jimmy Dore is a toxic useful idiot for the alt right at this point?
sbenois said:
Can we just admit that Jimmy Dore is a toxic useful idiot for the alt right at this point?
No, but we can just admit that David Packman is a dweeb.
Dore dissing a Twitter foil's profile pic: "I guess he was on his way to play the lead in the Paul Lynde movie."
DaveSchmidt said:
Dore dissing a Twitter foil's profile pic: "I guess he was on his way to play the lead in the Paul Lynde movie."
That was hilarious! Hollywood Squares has never been the same since Paul Lynde died.
I assure you, that line is making me laugh literally every time I think of it.
ml1 said:
Paul Lynde jokes? Did I wake up in 1978?
You miss a lot by refusing to watch videos.
nan said:
You miss a lot by refusing to watch videos.
I doubt it. I'm pretty sure anything you find "hilarious" is probably not to my taste.
Oh, and I missed this one on Nancy & Chuck arguing with Trump and proving that the "Resistance" is really the "Assistance."
When is Jimmy going to do his "Tulsi is Russian Asset" show? Can't wait to see it!
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I’m not going to watch it a third time, but as I recall, Blyth mentions someone who referred to Brexit as the existential crisis that “blows up the euro.” I took that as another way of saying: Just watch how this ends up causing the continent to drop the euro.