JIMMY DORE is "ready to go out and get this [Covid-19] virus and get back to life"
nan said:
Jimmy's guest on the video, Danny Haiphong, who is much calmer than Jimmy, makes the important point, that power concedes nothing without a demand. He says that the big mistake made by Bernie's campaign and other progressives is that the Democratic Party just went astray from their Working Class roots and needed to go ajusted back (I have thought that). But that history is incorrect. The New Deal was not enacted because FDR was a nice guy. It was enacted because there were thousands and thousands of strikes happening and workers' actions everywhere and plants were being shut down. So FDR had to enact those reforms to save capitalism because capitalism is going to fall apart and people may look to other countries and see socialism and we can't have that here. And that's how the New Deal was enacted. So it's backwards to think that electing a Democrat will give you the conditions you need to enact change. You can't run in a party that is hostile to you.
The New Deal was enacted because there was a Depression.
nan said:
So, if you think Biden has an exciting policy that is going to save families in dire situations without healthcare than you should be promoting them online, not telling me to go watch an hour long show to try to find what I know if not there.
Fair enough, you don't want to watch a video.
Jaytee said:
“You can't run in a party that is hostile to you.”
Reason why Bernie should form his own party. There he can wear his halo proudly. And he won’t be treated with hostility. Brainwashing doesn’t have a rinse cycle.
Clearly you did not watch the video. There was no halo bestowed upon Bernie. There is no promise of an easy non-hostile environment. Unlike you, I can consider critical appraisals of the person I support. You claim others are brainwashed, but you clearly accept what the MSM dishes out hook, line and sinker.
nohero said:
Fair enough, you don't want to watch a video.
You did not even provide a link for the video. I love to watch videos. I actually did watch a big part of that Biden townhall, but I saw nothing that would answer that desperate family with something other than a platitude. So, tell me where I can find that in the video and give me a link and I will be glad to watch.
Here Jimmy Dore talks about how Joe Rogan said he would vote for Trump over Biden. He's a swing voter. Jimmy exposes the hypocracy around this.
sbenois said:
Who the **** cares about these two clowns.
1) This thread is optional. Feel free to skip. 2) these two clowns are voters and there are millions of people just like them.
Jaytee said:
“You can't run in a party that is hostile to you.”
That is exactly why I said over and over in 2016 that Trump had no chance
STANV said:
Jaytee said:
“You can't run in a party that is hostile to you.”
That is exactly why I said over and over in 2016 that Trump had no chance
An instructive illustration of the difficulty in trying to properly define "the party." The GOP party apparatus was hostile to Trump; the part voters sufficiently open to him to allow him to win.
One lesson for 2020, to my mind, is that it really was an open question to what degree the Democratic party -- defined not just as the party establishment, but holistically -- was open to a large shift to the left. And I think the answer has been: far more than many may have thought, but far less than Sanders and his supporters hoped.
Still an open question to my mind -- is it Sanders, personally, who has failed to win over the party, or was it the more liberal politics he has been the face of? My current feeling is that it's the former; that in fact there is a significant openness to moving quite a bit leftward in the party, but Sanders was not the vehicle for this. Unlike the "hostile takeover" mode of Trump and the GOP, in the Democratic party it's more likely to happen as a result of Democrats within the party moving it leftward. I think the future looks a lot more like Ocasio-Cortez than it does Sanders, or even Buttigieg. But, we'll see -- a Biden presidency that is secured with millions of moderate suburbanites might delay or substantially change that trajectory.
STANV said:
That is exactly why I said over and over in 2016 that Trump had no chance
Good point, actually. And here is the difference. Bernie actually tries to be a good Democrat and to play fair and to be a loyal soldier and say upfront that he will support and campaign for the nominee if it's not him. HIs reward for this loyalty is the Democrats/media constant smearing and blaming him for everything that goes wrong. He was constantly told that he was not a real Democrat and did not belong and was not wanted. The media dumped on him all the time and he was painted as the opposite of what he was.
Trump, on the other hand, did not care about the Republican Party. He freely told people off directly, and called his opponents childish names and openly attacked them on things like starting fake wars and stuff that was normally off the table. The Republicans were afraid of him and unwilling to try to stop him. He had real power.
Bernie gave up power to easily. If you watch the Jimmy Dore videos, he feels that is Bernie's problem. He should not have been calling Biden as his friend who can beat Trump. He should have been calling Biden out as the corrupt, senile, compulsive liar, rapist he really is. He should have been telling Biden that he was paid by his donors to hate Medicare for All. He should be calling out the whole corrupt Democratic party, especially Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. He should have been threatening to run third party and should not have promised to tell his supporters to vote for the nominee. He should not have played along with the Russiagate hoax and and been more aggressive about critiquing American Imperialism. In short, he should have acted more like a real revolutionary who takes power, rather than ask for it.
nohero said:
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So, OK, you don't care about the votes influenced by the most popular podcaster in the world. These are people who normally vote for Trump, but will change for an anti-establishment Democrat. You also don't care about the votes of the Progressive Bernie supporters who don't see value in Biden.
So there are two big groups of voters you have written off. How are you going to win? With Joe Biden?
nan said:
Bernie gave up power to easily. If you watch the Jimmy Dore videos, he feels that is Bernie's problem. He should not have been calling Biden as his friend who can beat Trump. He should have been calling Biden out as the corrupt, senile, compulsive liar, rapist he really is. He should have been telling Biden that he was paid by his donors to hate Medicare for All. He should be calling out the whole corrupt Democratic party, especially Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. He should have been threatening to run third party and should not have promised to tell his supporters to vote for the nominee. He should not have played along with the Russiagate hoax and and been more aggressive about critiquing American Imperialism. In short, he should have acted more like a real revolutionary who takes power, rather than ask for it.
I still think that's not a good strategy to get the nomination of the Democratic Party.
But I'm only an amateur.
nan said:
Good point, actually. And here is the difference. Bernie actually tries to be a good Democrat and to play fair and to be a loyal soldier and say upfront that he will support and campaign for the nominee if it's not him. HIs reward for this loyalty is the Democrats/media constant smearing and blaming him for everything that goes wrong. He was constantly told that he was not a real Democrat and did not belong and was not wanted. The media dumped on him all the time and he was painted as the opposite of what he was.
Bernie ran in the 2018 Democratic Primary for Senator in Vermont. He won. Then he declined the nomination. He chose to run as an Independent. There was no Democratic candidate.
There was also a gubernatorial election in Vermont in 2018. The Republican won.
"Good Democrat" and "loyal soldier" aren't terms that come to mind with respect to Senator Sanders (I-VT).
jimmurphy said:
Who else misses Jimmy Dore?
Could be everybody if this dipsiht goes through with this. "I am ready to go out and get this virus and get back to life" he tells the Matt Taibbi/Katy Halper podcast while they stupidly grin. Jimmy's new grift is as a Covid truther.
Jimmy Dore lends credence to the idea of reopening the economy because the death count could be over-reported. pic.twitter.com/n0B4GzZnVE— Matthew Dimitri (@themattdimitri) May 24, 2020
Jimmy Dore is basically Brenden Dilley but with 1 or 2 actual good ideas.
ridski said:
Jimmy Dore is basically Brenden Dilley but with 1 or 2 actual good ideas.
More people probably saw that Brendan Dilley clip because it was viewed and shared on Right Wing Watch, than saw it when he originally put it out.
Meanwhile, Jimmy Dore (who makes Rupert Pupkin look like George Carlin in comparison) jokes, "I am ready to go out and get this virus and get back to life". It's only funny if you didn't know anybody who got "this virus" and isn't going to "get back to life".
“You can't run in a party that is hostile to you.”
Reason why Bernie should form his own party. There he can wear his halo proudly. And he won’t be treated with hostility. Brainwashing doesn’t have a rinse cycle.