Old Thread About Election Consequences
Elizabeth Warren can't win. I hope she doesn't run. It will be excruciating listening to her and Trump hurl insults at each other instead of discussing policy.
Who is a strong Dem candidate that will run and WIN? Right now, it looks like we're getting four more years (if he doesn't get indicted) of Trump. There are no winners on the track.
Trump is 72
Bernie Sanders is 76..............Bernie can walk 100 yards with out using a golf cart and eats more than junk food. Plus he can voice a paragraph with out using the word "great" Maybe this time with a more level playing field.
DaveSchmidt said:
nan said:The jobs are somewhat different.
Why would they want someone different for one than the other? Don't get it.
So, they are also somewhat the same.
kibbegirl said:
Elizabeth Warren can't win. I hope she doesn't run. It will be excruciating listening to her and Trump hurl insults at each other instead of discussing policy.
Who is a strong Dem candidate that will run and WIN? Right now, it looks like we're getting four more years (if he doesn't get indicted) of Trump. There are no winners on the track.
Elizabeth Warren will focus on policy, especially in the areas she is passionate about. That's one of the good things about her. Trump will probably do some of that too, making it all up in between asking her to prove her Native American heritage. Trump will try to make it a circus no matter who his opponent will be.
nan said:
DaveSchmidt said:So, they are also somewhat the same.
The jobs are somewhat different.
Interestingly, a poll was conducted to ask whether the jobs of president and member of the House were “more like” each other or “less like” each other. “Less like” beat “more like” by 38% to 33%.
kibbegirl said:
Elizabeth Warren can't win. I hope she doesn't run. It will be excruciating listening to her and Trump hurl insults at each other instead of discussing policy.
Who is a strong Dem candidate that will run and WIN? Right now, it looks like we're getting four more years (if he doesn't get indicted) of Trump. There are no winners on the track.
I'm not sure how to gauge her ability to win this early in the game but she is not all about hurling insults. Watch her on the floor of the Senate. Most people only saw snippets of her on the campaign trail introducing Hillary and it did not showcase her own attributes. I watched her in real time attempt to read Coretta Scott King's letter during the hearing on Jeff Sessions. Mitch McConnell had her removed from the floor. It was at that moment that we heard the phrase "nevertheless she persisted." After her removal she made this video.
DaveSchmidt said:
nan said:Interestingly, a poll was conducted to ask whether the jobs of president and member of the House were “more like” each other or “less like” each other. “Less like” beat “more like” by 38% to 33%.
DaveSchmidt said:So, they are also somewhat the same.
The jobs are somewhat different.
That's not much of a difference.
nan said:
DaveSchmidt said:That's not much of a difference.
Interestingly, a poll was conducted to ask whether the jobs of president and member of the House were “more like” each other or “less like” each other. “Less like” beat “more like” by 38% to 33%.
You’re right. It’s even within the margin of error. Maybe that poll isn’t as meaningful as I thought it was.
Any one who debates Trump will sadly have to sink to his level on some points. He is lacking information and intelligence so dishing out insults will always be his go to in order to obfuscate. We need a candidate who will push back, over and against childish antics and behaviors and more importantly, push back against the four years of lies. If he'd run, I'd support Mitch Landrieu.
A lot has happened during the hours I was asleep. One of the more amusing yet also alarming news articles this morning is linked below.
You might not realise that in Australia we have many small towns with names similar to places in the USA and Canada (also Europe, but that’s not for this post). The Texas in this post is out bush: western Queensland, where the land is flatter than a pancake, dry and dusty. It’s farming country (beef and wheat, I think); D went there for business once, but there wasn’t a fashion boutique in the town, it’s too small. It’s lucky it still has a pub.
So the sudden increase in netizens pushing US conservative political views is really very interesting, isn’t it?!?
So it looks like Joe Lieberman is going to campaign for Joe Crowley on the 3rd party ticket. You can't make this stuff up. Let's see how many establishment Democrats get mad at Lieberman because he's against unity and not voting for the Democrat who won. You can't make this stuff up.
Vote Joe Crowley, for Working Families
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez hurts the party, Congress and even America.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/vote-joe-crowley-for-working-families-1531868231
By Joe Lieberman
July 17, 2018 6:57 p.m. ET45 COMMENTS
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s surprise primary victory over Rep. Joe Crowley seems likely to hurt Congress, America and the Democratic Party. It doesn’t have to.
Because the policies Ms. Ocasio-Cortez advocates are so far from the mainstream, her election in November would make it harder for Congress to stop fighting and start fixing problems. Thanks to a small percentage of primary votes, all of the people of New York’s 14th Congressional District stand to lose a very effective representative in Washington.
Fortunately, Joe Crowley and the voters in his district can prevent this damage. On Election Day, his name will be on the ballot as the endorsed candidate of the Working Families Party. But for Mr. Crowley to have a chance at getting re-elected, he will have to decide if he wants to remain an active candidate. I hope he does.
Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is a proud member of the Democratic Socialists of America, whose platform, like hers, is more Socialist than Democratic. Her dreams of new federal spending would bankrupt the country or require very large tax increases, including on the working class. Her approach foresees government ownership of many private companies, which would decimate the economy and put millions out of work.
Ms. Ocasio-Cortez didn’t speak much about foreign policy during the primary, but when she did, it was from the DSA policy book—meaning support for socialist governments, even if they are dictatorial and corrupt (Venezuela), opposition to American leadership in the world, even to alleviate humanitarian disasters (Syria), and reflexive criticism of one of America’s great democratic allies (Israel).
She has received the most attention for calling to “Abolish ICE,” Immigration and Customs Enforcement. This makes no sense unless you no longer want any rules on immigration or customs to be enforced. I have not heard anyone say that. Nonetheless, at least three credible candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination rushed to endorse Ms. Ocasio-Cortez’s position.
Republicans are calling Ms. Ocasio-Cortez the “new face” of the Democratic Party. That’s why Nancy Pelosi has tried to put distance between Ms. Ocasio-Cortez and House Democrats. “They made a choice in one district,” Mrs. Pelosi said. “It is not to be viewed as something that stands for anything else.” She knows that if Democrats are to regain a majority, it will be by winning swing districts with sensible, mainstream candidates. Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is making that task harder across America.
Joe Crowley’s re-election would be evidence that Democrats are capable of governing again. His voting record shows that Mr. Crowley is a progressive. I know him as a bridge builder and problem solver, which is exactly what Congress needs more of in both parties.
Mr. Crowley faces a difficult choice. I know because I faced the same one in 2006 after losing a Democratic primary. I ran as an independent because I wanted all the voters to decide whether I deserved to continue to serve them in the Senate. It was a risk, but I concluded it was worth it to know that I had taken my fight for the kind of government I believed in as far as I possibly could.
For the sake of Congress and our country, I hope Joe Crowley will give all the voters of his district the opportunity to re-elect him in November—and I hope they find his name on their ballots.
nan said:
So it looks like Joe Lieberman is going to campaign for Joe Crowley on the 3rd party ticket. You can't make this stuff up. Let's see how many establishment Democrats get mad at Lieberman because he's against unity and not voting for the Democrat who won. You can't make this stuff up.
Vote Joe Crowley, for Working Families
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez hurts the party, Congress and even America.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/vote-joe-crowley-for-working-families-1531868231
By Joe Lieberman
July 17, 2018 6:57 p.m. ET45 COMMENTS
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s surprise primary victory over Rep. Joe Crowley seems likely to hurt Congress, America and the Democratic Party. It doesn’t have to.
Because the policies Ms. Ocasio-Cortez advocates are so far from the mainstream, her election in November would make it harder for Congress to stop fighting and start fixing problems. Thanks to a small percentage of primary votes, all of the people of New York’s 14th Congressional District stand to lose a very effective representative in Washington.
Fortunately, Joe Crowley and the voters in his district can prevent this damage. On Election Day, his name will be on the ballot as the endorsed candidate of the Working Families Party. But for Mr. Crowley to have a chance at getting re-elected, he will have to decide if he wants to remain an active candidate. I hope he does.
Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is a proud member of the Democratic Socialists of America, whose platform, like hers, is more Socialist than Democratic. Her dreams of new federal spending would bankrupt the country or require very large tax increases, including on the working class. Her approach foresees government ownership of many private companies, which would decimate the economy and put millions out of work.
Ms. Ocasio-Cortez didn’t speak much about foreign policy during the primary, but when she did, it was from the DSA policy book—meaning support for socialist governments, even if they are dictatorial and corrupt (Venezuela), opposition to American leadership in the world, even to alleviate humanitarian disasters (Syria), and reflexive criticism of one of America’s great democratic allies (Israel).
She has received the most attention for calling to “Abolish ICE,” Immigration and Customs Enforcement. This makes no sense unless you no longer want any rules on immigration or customs to be enforced. I have not heard anyone say that. Nonetheless, at least three credible candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination rushed to endorse Ms. Ocasio-Cortez’s position.
Republicans are calling Ms. Ocasio-Cortez the “new face” of the Democratic Party. That’s why Nancy Pelosi has tried to put distance between Ms. Ocasio-Cortez and House Democrats. “They made a choice in one district,” Mrs. Pelosi said. “It is not to be viewed as something that stands for anything else.” She knows that if Democrats are to regain a majority, it will be by winning swing districts with sensible, mainstream candidates. Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is making that task harder across America.
Joe Crowley’s re-election would be evidence that Democrats are capable of governing again. His voting record shows that Mr. Crowley is a progressive. I know him as a bridge builder and problem solver, which is exactly what Congress needs more of in both parties.
Mr. Crowley faces a difficult choice. I know because I faced the same one in 2006 after losing a Democratic primary. I ran as an independent because I wanted all the voters to decide whether I deserved to continue to serve them in the Senate. It was a risk, but I concluded it was worth it to know that I had taken my fight for the kind of government I believed in as far as I possibly could.
For the sake of Congress and our country, I hope Joe Crowley will give all the voters of his district the opportunity to re-elect him in November—and I hope they find his name on their ballots.
Why, just why? What's in it for Lieberman? Considering the enthusiasm for this woman who has captured the attention of the media why exacerbate tensions within the Democratic Party. The phrase "they eat their young" comes to mind.
nan said:
So it looks like Joe Lieberman is going to campaign for Joe Crowley on the 3rd party ticket. You can't make this stuff up. Let's see how many establishment Democrats get mad at Lieberman because he's against unity and not voting for the Democrat who won. You can't make this stuff up.
Joe Lieberman hasn’t been a Democrat since 2006.
Because establishment Dem Joe Lieberman did exactly the same thing when he was primaried out by Ned Lamont.
Will Liebermann be effective in the Bronx and that part of Queens? I don't see it.
nan said:
Lieberman works for Trump's lawyer now.
Darn. I was going to make that up.
DaveSchmidt said:
nan said:Joe Lieberman hasn’t been a Democrat since 2006.
So it looks like Joe Lieberman is going to campaign for Joe Crowley on the 3rd party ticket. You can't make this stuff up. Let's see how many establishment Democrats get mad at Lieberman because he's against unity and not voting for the Democrat who won. You can't make this stuff up.
Nan hasn't been one since 2016
nan said:
So it looks like Joe Lieberman is going to campaign for Joe Crowley on the 3rd party ticket. You can't make this stuff up.
Wait. Doesn’t something else have to happen first?
More on the Joe "I'm not running" Crowley and Joe "yes you are" Lieberman:
nan said:
More on the Joe "I'm not running" Crowley and Joe "yes you are" Lieberman:
Joe Lieberman writing in the Wall Street Journal obviously intended to have a powerful impact in the Bronx.
Or maybe he just wanted attention.
nan said:
More on the Joe "I'm not running" Crowley and Joe "yes you are" Lieberman:
If I were a critical thinker, I think I’d beware anyone in a video who said, “And I don’t have any evidence of this, but I wouldn’t be surprised ...”
DaveSchmidt said:
nan said:If I were a critical thinker, I think I’d beware anyone in a video who said, “And I don’t have any evidence of this, but I wouldn’t be surprised ...”
More on the Joe "I'm not running" Crowley and Joe "yes you are" Lieberman:
Prediction is based on prior knowledge and Emma has LOTS of prior knowledge.
nan said:
Prediction is based on prior knowledge and Emma has LOTS of prior knowledge.
When she said that, she wasn’t predicting. She was suggesting that something — and not just anything, but something important to the case she was making — had already happened. Again, without evidence.
nan said:
So it looks like Joe Lieberman is going to campaign for Joe Crowley on the 3rd party ticket. You can't make this stuff up. Let's see how many establishment Democrats get mad at Lieberman because he's against unity and not voting for the Democrat who won. You can't make this stuff up.
Vote Joe Crowley, for Working Families
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez hurts the party, Congress and even America.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/vote-joe-crowley-for-working-families-1531868231
By Joe Lieberman
July 17, 2018 6:57 p.m. ET45 COMMENTS
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s surprise primary victory over Rep. Joe Crowley seems likely to hurt Congress, America and the Democratic Party. It doesn’t have to.
Because the policies Ms. Ocasio-Cortez advocates are so far from the mainstream, her election in November would make it harder for Congress to stop fighting and start fixing problems. Thanks to a small percentage of primary votes, all of the people of New York’s 14th Congressional District stand to lose a very effective representative in Washington.
Fortunately, Joe Crowley and the voters in his district can prevent this damage. On Election Day, his name will be on the ballot as the endorsed candidate of the Working Families Party. But for Mr. Crowley to have a chance at getting re-elected, he will have to decide if he wants to remain an active candidate. I hope he does.
Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is a proud member of the Democratic Socialists of America, whose platform, like hers, is more Socialist than Democratic. Her dreams of new federal spending would bankrupt the country or require very large tax increases, including on the working class. Her approach foresees government ownership of many private companies, which would decimate the economy and put millions out of work.
Ms. Ocasio-Cortez didn’t speak much about foreign policy during the primary, but when she did, it was from the DSA policy book—meaning support for socialist governments, even if they are dictatorial and corrupt (Venezuela), opposition to American leadership in the world, even to alleviate humanitarian disasters (Syria), and reflexive criticism of one of America’s great democratic allies (Israel).
She has received the most attention for calling to “Abolish ICE,” Immigration and Customs Enforcement. This makes no sense unless you no longer want any rules on immigration or customs to be enforced. I have not heard anyone say that. Nonetheless, at least three credible candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination rushed to endorse Ms. Ocasio-Cortez’s position.
Republicans are calling Ms. Ocasio-Cortez the “new face” of the Democratic Party. That’s why Nancy Pelosi has tried to put distance between Ms. Ocasio-Cortez and House Democrats. “They made a choice in one district,” Mrs. Pelosi said. “It is not to be viewed as something that stands for anything else.” She knows that if Democrats are to regain a majority, it will be by winning swing districts with sensible, mainstream candidates. Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is making that task harder across America.
Joe Crowley’s re-election would be evidence that Democrats are capable of governing again. His voting record shows that Mr. Crowley is a progressive. I know him as a bridge builder and problem solver, which is exactly what Congress needs more of in both parties.
Mr. Crowley faces a difficult choice. I know because I faced the same one in 2006 after losing a Democratic primary. I ran as an independent because I wanted all the voters to decide whether I deserved to continue to serve them in the Senate. It was a risk, but I concluded it was worth it to know that I had taken my fight for the kind of government I believed in as far as I possibly could.
For the sake of Congress and our country, I hope Joe Crowley will give all the voters of his district the opportunity to re-elect him in November—and I hope they find his name on their ballots.
This is wrong and misguided. She will easily win the seat. Lieberman should focus on trying to help dems in districts that are more competitive.
nan said:
More on the Joe "I'm not running" Crowley and Joe "yes you are" Lieberman:
omg that was annoyingly strident. and not a little overwrought.
Does she always sound like that? If so, listening to her on a regular basis can't possibly be good for your mental health.
Sweetsnuggles said:This is wrong and misguided. She will easily win the seat. Lieberman should focus on trying to help dems in districts that are more competitive.
Lieberman should crawl back under his rock and stay there. The worst Democrat of the past 50 years.
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I watched her on Rachel Maddow recently and she didn't seem as adamant about not running as she was before.
I like her. I suspect that there are many voters who would like to see a female candidate. Looking at the field she has a lot of visibility. I'm also a Kamala Harris fan. Not so much a Kristin Gillibrand supporter but I'm trying to keep an open mind. Warren is pretty outspoken on the Senate floor.
Might be interesting to see voters confront another female opponent to Trump who is well cast as the misogynist in chief. The country might be forced to decide if it has a resistance to a woman in the White House.
With Roe in the headlines, will women feel a stronger desire to gain more political power? With all of this talk about messaging, would running another female candidate cast the Democrats as being the party that supports women in contrast to the current Republican Party?
I've listed several male candidates that I like but I have to admit my very real disappointment that we have not had a female president when we are half of the population.