Julian Assange Being Turned over to UK????

The Guardian seems to have it out for Julian Assange, and it's much more than that FAKE Manifort story that they still have not retracted.  They clearly want to link him to the Russians, and you have to wonder why. . .might be the Integrity Initiative. 

Guilty by innuendo: the Guardian campaign against Julian Assange that breaks all the rules

https://www.thecanary.co/global/world-analysis/2018/12/20/guilty-by-innuendo-the-guardian-campaign-against-julian-assange-that-breaks-all-the-rules/

An analysis of articles published by the Guardian over several months reveals what appears to be a campaign to link WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange with Russia and the Kremlin. But the paper has provided little or no evidence to back up the assertions. And amid recent revelations that Guardian journalists have associated with the psychological operations experts at the Integrity Initiative, we should perhaps be more sceptical than ever before.

Or could be because he is a piece of trash and the Guardian rightfully wants to see the garbage taken out.

sbenois said:
Or could be because he is a piece of trash and the Guardian rightfully wants to see the garbage taken out.

 You need to wipe the foam off your mouth.

Sorry Pauil, but it's important to keep the Embassy nice and tidy.   

According to this video (with English subtitles) of the former Ecuadorian president, Assange will be turned over to the US through a deal made with Paul Manafort and Mike Pence that lets the oil companies off the hook. 

https://twitter.com/MElmaazi/status/107877162662642483

nan said:
According to this video (with English subtitles) of the former Ecuadorian president, Assange will be turned over to the US through a deal made with Paul Manafort and Mike Pence that lets the oil companies off the hook. 
https://twitter.com/MElmaazi/status/107877162662642483

After all of the complaining about the Guardian article and similar journalism, how should we view the recommendation of some third-hand or fourth-hand rumor like the one in that tweet -

 "Paul Manafort met w/ the current Ecuadorian president in 2017 to negotiate #Assange's "head", as well as "impunity" for Chevron & "isolating Venezuela".

South_Mountaineer said:

nan said:
According to this video (with English subtitles) of the former Ecuadorian president, Assange will be turned over to the US through a deal made with Paul Manafort and Mike Pence that lets the oil companies off the hook. 
https://twitter.com/MElmaazi/status/107877162662642483

After all of the complaining about the Guardian article and similar journalism, how should we view the recommendation of some third-hand or fourth-hand rumor like the one in that tweet -

 "Paul Manafort met w/ the current Ecuadorian president in 2017 to negotiate #Assange's "head", as well as "impunity" for Chevron & "isolating Venezuela".

 Third or fourth hand rumor???????  Did you watch the video with the former ECUADORIAN PRESIDENT saying all of those things.   Don't know how reliable he is, but I'm guessing since he used to be the President and originally arranged for Asssange to get citizenship, he might know a thing or two about the situation, don't you think?

Click on the video in the tweet, please and read the subtitles.

First tell me how reliable the former President is about what the current President is planning to do. 

South_Mountaineer said:
First tell me how reliable the former President is about what the current President is planning to do. 

 Reliable enough to post the video and have a listen.  It's not unreasonable to think that a former president might have some insight into what the current president is doing.  It's not fourth or fifth-hand information as you stated.  Of course we don't know if what he is saying is true or his motivation for saying it, but it is very relevant to the case and needed to be posted. 

nan said:

South_Mountaineer said:

nan said:
According to this video (with English subtitles) of the former Ecuadorian president, Assange will be turned over to the US through a deal made with Paul Manafort and Mike Pence that lets the oil companies off the hook. 
https://twitter.com/MElmaazi/status/107877162662642483

After all of the complaining about the Guardian article and similar journalism, how should we view the recommendation of some third-hand or fourth-hand rumor like the one in that tweet -

 "Paul Manafort met w/ the current Ecuadorian president in 2017 to negotiate #Assange's "head", as well as "impunity" for Chevron & "isolating Venezuela".

 Third or fourth hand rumor???????  Did you watch the video with the former ECUADORIAN PRESIDENT saying all of those things.   Don't know how reliable he is, but I'm guessing since he used to be the President and originally arranged for Asssange to get citizenship, he might know a thing or two about the situation, don't you think?
Click on the video in the tweet, please and read the subtitles.

Please try to control your use of CAPS and multiple question marks.   

Remember,  Uncle Vladi may be reading this and he doesn't like to be shouted at.

Thank you in advance.   

nan said:

South_Mountaineer said:
First tell me how reliable the former President is about what the current President is planning to do. 

 Reliable enough to post the video and have a listen.  It's not unreasonable to think that a former president might have some insight into what the current president is doing.  It's not fourth or fifth-hand information as you stated.  Of course we don't know if what he is saying is true or his motivation for saying it, but it is very relevant to the case and needed to be posted. 

 So other than he is in a video on the internet, nothing else on how reliable his info is. 

South_Mountaineer said:

nan said:

South_Mountaineer said:
First tell me how reliable the former President is about what the current President is planning to do. 

 Reliable enough to post the video and have a listen.  It's not unreasonable to think that a former president might have some insight into what the current president is doing.  It's not fourth or fifth-hand information as you stated.  Of course we don't know if what he is saying is true or his motivation for saying it, but it is very relevant to the case and needed to be posted. 

 So other than he is in a video on the internet, nothing else on how reliable his info is. 

Here is a CNN article that says Manifort did meet with the current President and discussed Assange.  So there is some evidence.  Pence also met with him too.  So, the meetings took place.  There is some more evidence.  

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/03/politics/ecuador-president-manafort-julian-assange/index.html

Nan suddenly finds CNN to be reliable.   

sbenois said:
Nan suddenly finds CNN to be reliable.   

 Not really, but they can usually be counted on to verify a meeting took place on a certain date.  Not sure they are reliable for what actually happened in the meeting.  It's one version, and also worth reading.  As I have been saying all along--be skeptical and get your news from a variety of sources.  CNN can be one source, but not the only one.

You certainly do seem to pick and choose when it suits you.

This is all hear-say and doesn't prove anything. We need hard proof and/or photographs.

Justice for Julian Assange, Test of Western Democracy

https://original.antiwar.com/Nozomi_Hayase/2018/12/28/justice-for-julian-assange-test-of-western-democracy/

Dictatorship of the West

Assange’s plight, his struggle for freedom revealed a dictatorship in the West. There have been changes in Ecuador’s treatment of Assange ever since a new President Lenin Moreno took office in May 2017. Contrary to the former President Rafael Correa, who courageously granted the publisher asylum, Moreno has shown total disregard for this Australian journalist who has become a political refugee and also a citizen of Ecuador since December 2017.

This Ecuadorian government’s shift in attitude had to do with Western governments’ bullying this small nation of South America. It was reported that the US has pressured Ecuador over loans, making it act illegally in violation of international laws as well as its own constitution. At the end of March, one day after a high level US military visit to Ecuador, this new Ecuadorian president unilaterally cut off Assange from the outside world, by denying his access to internet, prohibiting him from having visitors and communicating with the press. Assange has been put into isolation, which Human Rights Watch general counsel described as being similar to solitary confinement.

In mid October, in the guise of restoring his Internet access, Ecuador issued a "Special Protocol" that perpetuates this silencing of Assange. By further restricting his freedom of expression and requiring him to pay for medical bills and phone calls, Moreno government seeks to break Assange. He is forcing him to leave the embassy on his own accord and get arrested by UK authorities, who are refusing to give him assurances to not extradite him to the US.

It's important to remember that the UK is violating human rights law by refusing to allow Assange to leave the Embassy without fear of extradition.

This is true regardless of whether one chooses to call the Swedish investigation "closed" or "discontinued" as discussed above.  As a result of the closing/discontinuation of the investigation, the European Arrest Warrant for Assange has been withdrawn by UK authorities and the only legal issue held against Assange is a minor bail violation triggered when he entered the embassy.

https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=24042&LangID=E

basil said:
This is all hear-say and doesn't prove anything. We need hard proof and/or photographs.

 Of what?

Huge surprise.  Never thought I'd agree with Rudi Giuliani about anything.  

Giuliani Says Assange Should Not Be Prosecuted

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/12/31/giuliani-says-assange-should-not-be-prosecuted/?fbclid=IwAR0eBXCJp8JC2Oxs2Pliad00K9_e5aet-grNj7TQ3a_n3pxmq7Da_SkPF_M

Jim Acosta getting his press pass back does not mean our First Amendment rights of freedom of the press are safe. 

Prisoner for Free Speech: the Relentless Pursuit of Julian Assange

CNN correspondent Jim Acosta returned to the White House on 17 November, a few days after a US judge had forced President Donald Trump to reverse the revocation of his press pass. Smiling before 50 or more photographers and cameramen, Acosta said triumphantly: ‘This was a test and I think we passed the test. Journalists need to know that in this country their First Amendment rights of freedom of the press are sacred, they’re protected in our constitution. Throughout all of this I was confident and I thought that … our rights would be protected as we continue to cover our government and hold our leaders accountable.’ Fade-out, happy ending.

Julian Assange probably did not watch the moving conclusion of this story live on CNN. He sought asylum in the Ecuadorian embassy in London six years ago, and his life there has become that of a prisoner: he cannot go outside for fear of being arrested by the British police, then probably extradited to the US; his access to communications is limited and he has been harassed repeatedly since Ecuador’s president, Lenín Moreno, decided to please the US and make conditions less comfortable for his ‘guest’.

The reason for his detention, and the threat of several decades in prison in the US (in 2010 Trump wanted him executed), is his WikiLeaks website which has been behind the major revelations that have inconvenienced the world’s powerful over the last decade: photographic evidence of US war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq, US industrial espionage, secret bank accounts in the Cayman Islands. The dictatorship of former Tunisian president Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali was shaken by the leaking of a US State Department cable that referred to this kleptocracy, a US ally, as a ‘sclerotic regime’ and ‘quasi-mafia’. WikiLeaks also revealed that two senior figures in France’s Socialist Party, François Hollande and Pierre Moscovici, had visited the US embassy in Paris in June 2006 to say that they regretted the vigour of President Jacques Chirac’s opposition to the US invasion of Iraq.

What the ‘left’ cannot forgive Assange for is WikiLeaks’ publication of stolen emails from Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. They believe this favoured Russian designs and Trump’s election, and forget that, in this matter, WikiLeaks only unveiled her efforts to sabotage Bernie Sanders’s campaign during the Democratic primaries. In 2016 media around the world, especially in the United States, eagerly relayed the information, as they had done with previous leaks, without editors being called foreign spies or threatened with imprisonment.

The US authorities’ relentless pursuit of Assange is encouraged by the cowardice of many journalists who have abandoned him to his fate or even delight in his misfortune. MSNBC star anchor Christopher Matthews, formerly a Democratic Party bigwig, even suggested that the US secret service should ‘pull one of those Israeli numbers and just grab him.’

nan said:
Huge surprise.  Never thought I'd agree with Rudi Giuliani about anything.  
Giuliani Says Assange Should Not Be Prosecuted
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/12/31/giuliani-says-assange-should-not-be-prosecuted/?fbclid=IwAR0eBXCJp8JC2Oxs2Pliad00K9_e5aet-grNj7TQ3a_n3pxmq7Da_SkPF_M

 Great find, Nan. Have any mainstream media sources reported this bombshell?

nan said:

Prisoner for Free Speech: the Relentless Pursuit of Julian Assange

MSNBC star anchor Christopher Matthews, formerly a Democratic Party bigwig, even suggested that the US secret service should ‘pull one of those Israeli numbers and just grab him.’

No, Christopher Matthews did not suggest that. It’s clear in the video (21:34) he was being facetious.

paulsurovell said:

nan said:
Huge surprise.  Never thought I'd agree with Rudi Giuliani about anything.  
Giuliani Says Assange Should Not Be Prosecuted
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/12/31/giuliani-says-assange-should-not-be-prosecuted/?fbclid=IwAR0eBXCJp8JC2Oxs2Pliad00K9_e5aet-grNj7TQ3a_n3pxmq7Da_SkPF_M

 Great find, Nan. Have any mainstream media sources reported this bombshell?

Other than Fox News, you mean?

DaveSchmidt said:

nan said:

Prisoner for Free Speech: the Relentless Pursuit of Julian Assange

MSNBC star anchor Christopher Matthews, formerly a Democratic Party bigwig, even suggested that the US secret service should ‘pull one of those Israeli numbers and just grab him.’

No, Christopher Matthews did not suggest that. It’s clear in the video (21:34) he was being facetious.

 It's clear that Chris Matthews is an idiot.  And it's also clear he's fine with Assange being turned over.  

DaveSchmidt said:

paulsurovell said:

nan said:
Huge surprise.  Never thought I'd agree with Rudi Giuliani about anything.  
Giuliani Says Assange Should Not Be Prosecuted
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/12/31/giuliani-says-assange-should-not-be-prosecuted/?fbclid=IwAR0eBXCJp8JC2Oxs2Pliad00K9_e5aet-grNj7TQ3a_n3pxmq7Da_SkPF_M

 Great find, Nan. Have any mainstream media sources reported this bombshell?

Other than Fox News, you mean?

 Yes, he said this on Fox News, although they were probably as surprised as anyone.  Don't know what to think about this, but it's interesting.  Still not a Rudi Giulliani fan.

nan said:

DaveSchmidt said:

paulsurovell said:

 Great find, Nan. Have any mainstream media sources reported this bombshell?

Other than Fox News, you mean?

 Yes, he said this on Fox News, although they were probably as surprised as anyone.  Don't know what to think about this, but it's interesting.  Still not a Rudi Giulliani fan.

One of those enigmatic bombshells, then. 

DaveSchmidt said:

nan said:

DaveSchmidt said:

paulsurovell said:

 Great find, Nan. Have any mainstream media sources reported this bombshell?

Other than Fox News, you mean?

 Yes, he said this on Fox News, although they were probably as surprised as anyone.  Don't know what to think about this, but it's interesting.  Still not a Rudi Giulliani fan.

One of those enigmatic bombshells, then. 

 Yes, I've seen people on twitter trying to come up with theories such as this being a way to trick Assange into thinking he will be safe with the Americans.  I'm more in the the wait and see if it amounts to a hill of beans group. 

DaveSchmidt said:

paulsurovell said:

nan said:
Huge surprise.  Never thought I'd agree with Rudi Giuliani about anything.  
Giuliani Says Assange Should Not Be Prosecuted
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/12/31/giuliani-says-assange-should-not-be-prosecuted/?fbclid=IwAR0eBXCJp8JC2Oxs2Pliad00K9_e5aet-grNj7TQ3a_n3pxmq7Da_SkPF_M

 Great find, Nan. Have any mainstream media sources reported this bombshell?

Other than Fox News, you mean?

Fox is corporate media but "mainstream" not so sure. Is there a definition?

paulsurovell said:

Fox is corporate media but "mainstream" not so sure. Is there a definition?

It’s been the most-watched cable news network for three years running. Sounds mainstream to me.