Is Bernie Out?
sbenois said:
So do I.
But it is too risky for him to run for president.
I don't know anything about his procedure other than what I've read, but I will say, that it doesn't seem wise for him to do the upcoming debate. It feels way too soon. I commented on one of the threads that he didn't look well at the last debate.
He must be frustrated by this development, but as the weeks go by, he and his family may decide that his health is more precious than being President Sanders.
And as unfair as it may seem, it forces us to be honest about age as an issue among the candidates.
I hope we select someone who will give us a successful presidency of eight years. Not four. It is too risky asking a 78 year old to take that very high stress job for eight years.
We know any business giving a CEO contract to a 78 year old is foolish. And that's without even a heart attack.
At that age, even when healthy, there is the significant risk of mental acuity loss. Which is why many countries and some jurisdictions here require compulsory retirement aging for some careers. For example, in the United Kingdom, the Supreme Court judges are required to retire at 70.
Things are tough. We don't need a dotard like Trump or a Reagan who was doddering along in his latter presidential years.
author said:
Especially for Trump. One more time to compare post heart attack therapy.
One month or so after my heart attack and bypass surgery, it was recommended by my Cardiologist that I attend Cardiac rehab sessions. This I did at St. Barnabas. Let me tell you the exercises included not only stationary bikes and weight lifting but the use of machines I had never seen before. Thank God there was no rope hanging from the ceiling which we were expected to climb.
The concept of stay in bed and read poetry is as dated as black and white t.v.
Motion and muscle involvement is the therapy today. For better or worse........five years later here I am.
I still will not run for President
Well if you reconsider, I would be a great campaign manager.
Back to Bernie, I understand that spending afternoons in the hammock are not prescribed but, there is a big difference between daily workouts and the stress of running the country.
After all, we are doing a great job running the country from the comfort of our living rooms.
author said:
For one thing....what happened to your moniker " Bernie the Millionaire?"
Secondly..........two and a half days in the hospital after having had a heart attack must be some record for brevity. They build them strong in Vermont'
Thirdly it might have been delayed but his campaign did make the announcement.
When the anointed one practically passed out in front of a crowd and had to be carried to her car by the secret service, her choice of going to her daughters apartment was really telling. No cameras or press there. Only the most obvious photo opp of a little girl waiting for her to descend to Earth and accept the flowers
If I recall, my own heart attack and stint in rehab had me out of general circulation for almost a month.
But then I am not from Vermont, a Socialist or Millionaire
Why the delay?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/us/politics/bernie-sanders-heart.html
Doctors often release patients who undergo such procedures in a day or two. Mr. Sanders remained in the hospital until Friday evening, when — after three days of revealing few details about his condition — his campaign confirmed that Mr. Sanders had suffered a heart attack.
Until then, Mr. Sanders had not disclosed whether blood and electrocardiogram tests showed he had a heart attack. The senator and his campaign have not allowed reporters to interview his doctors, though advisers have said that Mr. Sanders would be able to appear in the next Democratic debate on Oct. 15.
Honestly, this is not a small thing. The man is 78. If he is somehow the nominee, who wants to spend every day from mid-August until Election day worrying about his health? And, if God Forbid, he suffers a serious issue then we all line up quickly behind someone who would likely not be near the top of anyone's wish list? This is a winning strategy to get Trump out?
If there was no previous issue that's one thing, but a now known ailment like this is WAY too much risk to throw into the mix.
He needs to drop out.
author said:
sbenois said:
Bernie had a heart attack. He needs to drop out. Thank you.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/us/politics/bernie-sanders-hospital.html
Edited to add:
The fact that he and his campaign lied about it is unacceptable.
For one thing....what happened to your moniker " Bernie the Millionaire?"
Secondly..........two and a half days in the hospital after having had a heart attack must be some record for brevity. They build them strong in Vermont'
Thirdly it might have been delayed but his campaign did make the announcement.
When the anointed one practically passed out in front of a crowd and had to be carried to her car by the secret service, her choice of going to her daughters apartment was really telling. No cameras or press there. Only the most obvious photo opp of a little girl waiting for her to descend to Earth and accept the flowers
If I recall, my own heart attack and stint in rehab had me out of general circulation for almost a month.
But then I am not from Vermont, a Socialist or Millionaire
Here we go, it's been a while.
* I didn't think Bernie was built in Vermont. Maybe I'll move up there to get some of that strong-buildin' air(or water).
* Might have been delayed? Sounds Trumpian: Ok, it happened but it's not a big deal
* I didn't realize the anointed one was running again. I guess this time she's paying the MSM to NOT report her candidacy.
Perception is reality whether you're a septuagenarian presidential candidate or the town curmudgeon.
I'm willing to wait to see Bernie (hopefully) bounce back. But I'm also willing to support full disclosure of a new medical evaluation of the candidate. And from real doctors, cardio specialists, and not someone like this guy:
Morganna said:
Well if you reconsider, I would be a great campaign manager.
Do you have experience?
Do you support Liz Warren?
Morganna said:
author said:
Especially for Trump. One more time to compare post heart attack therapy.
One month or so after my heart attack and bypass surgery, it was recommended by my Cardiologist that I attend Cardiac rehab sessions. This I did at St. Barnabas. Let me tell you the exercises included not only stationary bikes and weight lifting but the use of machines I had never seen before. Thank God there was no rope hanging from the ceiling which we were expected to climb.
The concept of stay in bed and read poetry is as dated as black and white t.v.
Motion and muscle involvement is the therapy today. For better or worse........five years later here I am.
I still will not run for President
Well if you reconsider, I would be a great campaign manager.
Back to Bernie, I understand that spending afternoons in the hammock are not prescribed but, there is a big difference between daily workouts and the stress of running the country.
After all, we are doing a great job running the country from the comfort of our living rooms.
After much soul searching I have decided not to run for President as I would not vote for myself. However all other possibilities remain viable.
Even if he doesn’t drop out, he’s done. This is good news for Warren and bad news for Biden.
Not not that I know if Bernie will invoke the spirit or history of Ike. However the last decent Republican we had as President did everything wrong when he had his first heart attack. He even continued to smoke.
And yet he not only finished his first term but he won handily a second term against the Democrat Stevenson.
People have moved away from knee jerk reactions. Bernie will win or lose the nomination based on his positions.
I wouldn't presume to make Sen. Sanders' decision for him. It's up to him to stay in or drop out. He'll need to have a long talk with his doctors and family. The campaign trail and the presidency are taxing as we've seen time and again.
That being said, I'm sure this is going to cause some voters to hesitate. I'm not a Sanders supporter myself so my opinion isn't relevant in that regard. We have two pretty strident supporters on this board who have made it clear they are still favoring him. But we don't really hear much from voters who have him in their "undecided" pool. And we do hear from sbenois, who I think suspects it was Bernie who keyed his car in the Stop and Shop lot last year, then didn't shovel his sidewalk.
STANV said:
Do you have experience?
Do you support Liz Warren?
No experience but it didn't stop the man in the Oval Office!
Yes I still support Liz. Last year I suggested a Liz/Cory ticket but you pointed out that they were both East Coast. So I thought of Julian Castro but I really prefer Cory.
If she is looking for a male with a diverse cultural background and someone youthful, either of those men would work. But I think Cory's temperament would be a better fit.
sbenois said:
He's done. Next.
More and more I am convinced that the only danger to the Republic is self righteous conservative Democrats.
Please don't thank me. My "Thank You" drawer is over flowing and I might need to get a new dresser.
PS..........I did really think you would have replied with a substantive answer rather than a Johnny Carson one liner.
Maybe in another life time
author said:
More and more I am convinced that the only danger to the Republic is self righteous conservative Democrats.
The danger is Trump. Keep your focus there.
STANV said:
author said:
More and more I am convinced that the only danger to the Republic is self righteous conservative Democrats.
The danger is Trump. Keep your focus there.
Possibly the most on target reply ever published on MOL. I used to say "put your faith in the courts"
but seeing what carrot top is doing there on many levels and his use o Executive Orders are tearing at the fabric that keeps this great nation together.
Have to wonder if Tulsi put Tucker up to this. Wouldn't be surprised if she did this to try and get Bernie's supporters.
Worth noting that Bill Clinton had a 4 way bypass in about 2004. He subsequently went on to to have the double stent procedure which Bernie just had done. When I had lunch wirh him the other day he still seemed pretty vital.
author said:
Worth noting that Bill Clinton had a 4 way bypass in about 2004. He subsequently went on to to have the double stent procedure which Bernie just had done. When I had lunch wirh him the other day he still seemed pretty vital.
With the exception of the current occupant, the office of POTUS is notoriously stressful.
nohero said:
With the exception of the current occupant, the office of POTUS is notoriously stressful.
Because of the current occupant I find the office of POTUS to be highly stressful.
nohero said:
author said:
Worth noting that Bill Clinton had a 4 way bypass in about 2004. He subsequently went on to to have the double stent procedure which Bernie just had done. When I had lunch wirh him the other day he still seemed pretty vital.
With the exception of the current occupant, the office of POTUS is notoriously stressful.
No one was ever carried out of the White House wearing a straight jacket.
Was in Prospect Park, Brooklyn, yesterday and Bernie supporters were swarming the place. Asking everyone if they were registered to vote and then asking who they were voting for. No other campaigners were around.
Excellent article on Bernie's soon to be over campaign:
https://www.wctrib.com/opinion/4708470-Susan-Estrich-The-age-issue-in-the-2020-presidential-race
author said:
No one was ever carried out of the White House wearing a straight jacket.
There is a first for everything!
sbenois said:
Excellent article on Bernie's soon to be over campaign:
https://www.wctrib.com/opinion/4708470-Susan-Estrich-The-age-issue-in-the-2020-presidential-race
Hm. That's really an opinion piece, not an article. By a person who "...was retained as legal counsel to the former Fox News chairman Roger Ailes — whom she met on the George H. W. Bush campaign trail in 1988 and whom she considers a close friend."
Well, here's a 95 year old I'd vote for. Back on the job today. A short video to make you smile.
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Especially for Trump. One more time to compare post heart attack therapy.
One month or so after my heart attack and bypass surgery, it was recommended by my Cardiologist that I attend Cardiac rehab sessions. This I did at St. Barnabas. Let me tell you the exercises included not only stationary bikes and weight lifting but the use of machines I had never seen before. Thank God there was no rope hanging from the ceiling which we were expected to climb.
The concept of stay in bed and read poetry is as dated as black and white t.v.
Motion and muscle involvement is the therapy today. For better or worse........five years later here I am.
I still will not run for President