Debate New Hampshire

Pete, Bernie and Joe are attacking each other. Amy weighed in against Pete and did very well. She may have a shot but I'm still for Liz and offer the following:

https://medium.com/@rhappe/elizabeth-warren-is-winning-if-you-understand-her-strategy-25d60b1f2da4

I submit this as the best picture from the debate -

Yup

Klinker said:

She is just sooooo conservative.  If she is the nominee I will vote against Trump (for her) but it would be nice to see someone in the White House who wants to make the US a better place than it was when Clinton left office.

 I'm for Warren but if after super Tuesday the voters lean centrist then I'm choosing Klobuchar over Biden and Buttigieg. I think in terms of age, experience and style, she is the best compromise in that lane.

I noted that in a caucus last week, when Klobuchar wasn't viable, a woman moved to Warren and said, she really wanted to see a woman at the top of the ticket. I'm not sure that many women say it on social media but after Hillary's loss, there remained a yearning to break the glass ceiling.

5 experienced females threw their hats in the ring early and it created a buzz. There were also a few men in early but then the floodgates opened and one after another over a dozen more men joined the race. Then the women started dropping out.

Some feel gender shouldn't matter. As the gender that never gets into the WH except as First Lady, it matters to me.

Somehow,unfortunately,and I’m a woman, I don’t see a woman as a presidential candidate at this time. Once a woman becomes vice-president there will be a change of thinking. That is just my thought on this.

Morganna said:

 I'm for Warren but if after super Tuesday the voters lean centrist then I'm choosing Klobuchar over Biden and Buttigieg. I think in terms of age, experience and style, she is the best compromise in that lane.

I get what you are saying but I won't vote for a conservative in the primary. The Dems have made this mistake over and over and each time it has cost them the election.  I'd rather roll the dice on Bernie than watch the Titanic Klobuchar  get sunk by a swift boat.

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Klinker said:

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 Your most prescient argument yet !

Dennis_Seelbach said:

Klinker said:

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 Your most prescient argument yet !

 Who's the stalker? Just taking a little time out of your Sunday for a personal attack?

I guess you Biden chumps don't have much to do now that your candidate has been relegated to the Tulsi Gabbard lane.

galileo said:

Somehow,unfortunately,and I’m a woman, I don’t see a woman as a presidential candidate at this time. Once a woman becomes vice-president there will be a change of thinking. That is just my thought on this.

 I couldn't imagine a Black President in my lifetime.

And you know something we've Male-Male tickets for every election with two exceptions so let me suggest

Warren-Klobuchar 

Klinker said:

The Dems have made this mistake over and over and each time it has cost them the election. 

What was their mistake in 1972? That the nation as a whole just wasn’t ready yet for a challenge to the party establishment from the left?

Klinker said:

Morganna said:

 I'm for Warren but if after super Tuesday the voters lean centrist then I'm choosing Klobuchar over Biden and Buttigieg. I think in terms of age, experience and style, she is the best compromise in that lane.

I get what you are saying but I won't vote for a conservative in the primary. The Dems have made this mistake over and over and each time it has cost them the election.  

 Each time except for 2012, 2008, 1996 and 1992. You only missed 4 of the last 7 presidential elections.

Klinker said:

Dennis_Seelbach said:

Klinker said:

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 Your most prescient argument yet !

 Who's the stalker? Just taking a little time out of your Sunday for a personal attack?

 Nope...Just happened to see your quality post, and felt it needed proper recognition.

Klinker said:

I guess you Biden chumps don't have much to do now that your candidate has been relegated to the Tulsi Gabbard lane.

 You do have a winning way with words. A great try at attracting those folks to your point of view.

DaveSchmidt said:

What was their mistake in 1972? That the nation as a whole just wasn’t ready yet for a challenge to the party establishment from the left?

 1972?  Was that Adams vs Jefferson? Octavian vs Brutus? 

Either way, most of the people who voted in that election are dead, although they will probably still turn out for Biden in the Illinois primary.

Dennis_Seelbach said:
 You do have a winning way with words. A great try at attracting those folks to your point of view.

 I had you marked as a lost cause from your first befuddled post.  A Biden man through and through.

Smedley said:  

 Each time except for 2012, 2008, 1996 and 1992. You only missed 4 of the last 7 presidential elections.

Obama ran to the left of Clinton and 1996 and 2012 were incumbent elections.

Klinker said:

DaveSchmidt said:

What was their mistake in 1972? That the nation as a whole just wasn’t ready yet for a challenge to the party establishment from the left?

1972? Was that Adams vs Jefferson?

No. I’d remember Adams vs Jefferson if I had been around for it.

I wasn’t entirely satisfied with the “Oh, that’s ancient history” reply that I came up with myself, so I was hoping you’d have a better one. I guess I’ll wait to see if anybody else would like to give it shot.

DaveSchmidt said:

No. I’d remember Adams vs Jefferson if I had been around for it.

I wasn’t entirely satisfied with the “Oh, that’s ancient history” reply that I came up with myself, so I was hoping you’d have a better one. I guess I’ll wait to see if anybody else would like to give it shot.

 I amended it (see above).

Klinker said:

 I amended it (see above).

The pre-Augustan touch really drove it home.

I’ll keep waiting.

Klinker said:

Dennis_Seelbach said:
 You do have a winning way with words. A great try at attracting those folks to your point of view.

 I had you marked as a lost cause from your first befuddled post.  A Biden man through and through.

 You still don't get it, do you?

Klinker said:

I guess you Biden chumps don't have much to do now that your candidate has been relegated to the Tulsi Gabbard lane.

 Premature. She never cracked about 1% and her fundraising can't possibly match the billionaire Star Circle/Ukrainian government money behind Biden.

Klinker said:

Smedley said:  

 Each time except for 2012, 2008, 1996 and 1992. You only missed 4 of the last 7 presidential elections.

Obama ran to the left of Clinton and 1996 and 2012 were incumbent elections.

Et tu, Barack? You ran as far left in 2008 as Klinker advocates now? No? Then Klinker only missed 2 of the 5 applicable (non-incumbent Democrat) elections.

mrincredible said:

Klinker said:

I guess you Biden chumps don't have much to do now that your candidate has been relegated to the Tulsi Gabbard lane.

 Premature. She never cracked about 1% and her fundraising can't possibly match the billionaire Star Circle/Ukrainian government money behind Biden.

 They got the same number of delegates from Iowa.

DaveSchmidt said:

No. I’d remember Adams vs Jefferson if I had been around for it.

I wasn’t entirely satisfied with the “Oh, that’s ancient history” reply that I came up with myself, so I was hoping you’d have a better one. I guess I’ll wait to see if anybody else would like to give it shot.

 although 1972 wasn't ancient history, with the political alignment of the parties since then, it might as well be.  Richard Nixon was arguably to the left of many "centrist" Democrats today.  He was the person who proposed the creation of the EPA, as well as universal health coverage.  He even enacted wage and price controls (socialism!).

DaveSchmidt said:

Et tu, Barack? You ran as far left in 2008 as Klinker advocates now? No? Then Klinker only missed 2 of the 5 applicable (non-incumbent Democrat) elections.

 I wasn't trying to suggest that Obama was some sort of proto Bernie, just that his election doesn't fit into the paradigm that Smed was advocating.

Klinker said:

 They got the same number of delegates from Iowa.

 Totally different meaning though. Iowa could be a blip for him. It's more of a coffin nail for her.

What is the next state Biden is expected to win after South Carolina? 

(honest question, I am just curious)