"Quote the Raven, never more"

LOST said:
DB and Author seem to have traded positions. I am slightly dizzy.
In any event I have a new favorite. Sherrod Brown gave a great interview on MTP today.

 wait. what? traded what?

Conservatives got where they are today by going for the ideal. They are getting tax reduction for the rich. Deregulation, judicial control and possible reduction of the social programs and control of the government.

Meanwhile, libs went for middle of the road.

Now, it seems conservatives have over-extended. They will lose but it will take decades to reverse what damage can be reversed. Going for the ideal, will expedite the corrections of conservative abuses.

Formerlyjerseyjack said:
Conservatives got where they are today by going for the ideal. They are getting tax reduction for the rich. Deregulation, judicial control and possible reduction of the social programs and control of the government.



Meanwhile, libs went for middle of the road.



Now, it seems conservatives have over-extended. They will lose but it will take decades to reverse what damage can be reversed. Going for the ideal, will expedite the corrections of conservative abuses.

I'm going to say that your diagnosis is incorrect.

Conservatives got their tax reduction, judicial control, reduction in social programs, etc. by uniting behind the candidate who won the nomination.  A lot of them didn't like him, many didn't even consider him a fellow conservative.  But he was their best shot at moving towards what they wanted.

"Libs" didn't stay organized.  A lot of idiots harangued us that their "principles" kept them from supporting the only alternative to the candidate that the conservatives united behind.  Dumb idea, but the severe damage has been done.  

One can only hope the lesson has been learned - after whatever primary fight is over, don't leave the arena because your "perfect" candidate didn't get picked.

drummerboy said:

 Screw centrism. We've suffered for years with Democratic Centrists.

Progressives are not going to win.  Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is the current flavor of the month, but I hope she is getting properly schooled on the intricacies of implementing policy or else she is going to get ground into small fragments.

LOST said:
DB and Author seem to have traded positions. I am slightly dizzy.
In any event I have a new favorite. Sherrod Brown gave a great interview on MTP today.

 Yes! Yes! Yes! I don't know how many times I've suggested him for the past 2 years! I wrote about it just now on your thread 2020. He's right out of an old Frank Capra movie. Great on the Senate floor.

ml1 said:
here's a very likely starting point for Trump in the Electoral College, given this year's election results.
https://www.270towin.com/

 All it will take is one or two states on that map flipping to red.  It's way too close to call at this point.

drummerboy said:

LOST said:
DB and Author seem to have traded positions. I am slightly dizzy.
In any event I have a new favorite. Sherrod Brown gave a great interview on MTP today.

 wait. what? traded what?

 This:

drummerboy said:

 Screw centrism. We've suffered for years with Democratic Centrists.

DB:

author said:

drummerboy said:

 Screw centrism. We've suffered for years with Democratic Centrists.

 The question boils down to one of pragmatism.  To approach enough voters for a win,  do the Dems nominate a centrist......like say Joe Biden or go for the ideal and give the nomination to Bernie.
If you want the win you go for Biden.  If you want the ideal you  go for Bernie.

yahooyahoo said:

ml1 said:
here's a very likely starting point for Trump in the Electoral College, given this year's election results.
https://www.270towin.com/

 All it will take is one or two states on that map flipping to red.  It's way too close to call at this point.

 PA, Wisconsin and Michigan went for Trump by a very small margin. Minnesota should also be in the Blue Category. And I would not count out Florida yet.