"Quote the Raven, never more"

OK, how about this: his tax returns are so explosive that he doesn't run in '20 to avoid disclosing them? Too far out?

GL2 said:
OK, how about this: his tax returns are so explosive that he doesn't run in '20 to avoid disclosing them? Too far out?

why would you think that he'd expect that he'd ever really have to disclose his tax returns?

I think there's a good chance he doesn't survive the release of his tax returns - though their release is not a forgone conclusion. Other House investigations will probably serve to chip away even more at his support.

With the loss of the House, there will be less pressure on Congressional Republicans to cowtow to him, since they're not going to accomplish much legislatively - ie - they don't really need him. The mid-term results pretty clearly showed that he's not that valuable in winning elections - his mid-term campaigning was a pretty remarkable effort in terms of it's scope, but in the end it was ineffective. The R's are looking at 2020 and have to be wondering whether his shtick will be a net negative or positive.

YMMV

We seem to be searching for rational reasons why this presidency will end. If we were a rational society, he wouldn't be in office in the first place.

I'm not convinced he'll get 300+ electoral votes again in 2020, but he doesn't need that many.

DaveSchmidt said:

author said:
 Actually the quote was mine...........I failed in all modesty to initially make that claim.  Edger Allan was always too depressing for this former school boy to quote directly.

Edger Allan was no bard
Edger Allan liked his lard
Edger Allan wasn’t edgy, was he

ridski said:

DaveSchmidt said:

author said:
 Actually the quote was mine...........I failed in all modesty to initially make that claim.  Edger Allan was always too depressing for this former school boy to quote directly.

Edger Allan was no bard
Edger Allan liked his lard
Edger Allan wasn’t edgy, was he

 

Saw an interesting film about Robert the Bruce.  He did the almost impossible in gaining independence for Scotland.  He learned to color outside the box.

It was called "The Outlaw King"

ml1 said:

GL2 said:
OK, how about this: his tax returns are so explosive that he doesn't run in '20 to avoid disclosing them? Too far out?

why would you think that he'd expect that he'd ever really have to disclose his tax returns?

 Isn't it generally understood that that a committee or two could subpoena the return?

GL2 said:

ml1 said:

GL2 said:
OK, how about this: his tax returns are so explosive that he doesn't run in '20 to avoid disclosing them? Too far out?

why would you think that he'd expect that he'd ever really have to disclose his tax returns?

 Isn't it generally understood that that a committee or two could subpoena the return?

my take on ml1's post is that Trump never, in his wildest dreams, ever expected to get elected. So he never thought his returns would go public.

I think it's what he fears the most right now.

ridski said:
The Raven rang, he said it's "quoth" and that Trump will run.

 I thought the raven had a lisp. 

author said:

ridski said:
The Raven rang, he said it's "quoth" and that Trump will run.

 I thought the raven had a lisp. 

 Wouldn't it be Poe who had the lisp?

Please don’t call in the Poe lisp.

LOST said:

author said:

ridski said:
The Raven rang, he said it's "quoth" and that Trump will run.

 I thought the raven had a lisp. 

 Wouldn't it be Poe who had the lisp?

 Actually he had writer's cramp caused by inadequate vitamin C and only going out of the house on a midnight dreary.

ml1 said:

lord_pabulum said:

ml1 said:
If Donald Trump declines to run in 2020 for any other reason that a health event that occurs between now and then, it would be a monumental shocker.  He's already raised boatloads of money, and he's virtually assured of about 250 electoral votes before he even starts campaigning.  He's a man who never admits defeat, and loves a fight.  The only reason he would drop out would be if defeat seemed certain, and he could spin a withdrawal as some kind of win.

 How big are Trump's boats compared to Warren Buffet's boats?

 I didn't know Buffet was running, but in case you actually were asking a serious question and not trolling:
Trump Has Already Raised $100 Million for His Reelection.

Using Buffet for measurement context.  Based on the link in the article and comparing to other politician past and current fund raising, it seems Trump has a small boat.  Shame there isn't a third party SNC (Sensible National Committee) to raise funds for sensible candidates.

author said:

ridski said:

DaveSchmidt said:

author said:
 Actually the quote was mine...........I failed in all modesty to initially make that claim.  Edger Allan was always too depressing for this former school boy to quote directly.

Edger Allan was no bard
Edger Allan liked his lard
Edger Allan wasn’t edgy, was he

 

Saw an interesting film about Robert the Bruce.  He did the almost impossible in gaining independence for Scotland.  He learned to color outside the box.
It was called "The Outlaw King"

 Far more historically accurate than Braveheart, and far less interesting. The costumes were excellent, though.

ridski said:

author said:

ridski said:

DaveSchmidt said:

author said:
 Actually the quote was mine...........I failed in all modesty to initially make that claim.  Edger Allan was always too depressing for this former school boy to quote directly.

Edger Allan was no bard
Edger Allan liked his lard
Edger Allan wasn’t edgy, was he

 

Saw an interesting film about Robert the Bruce.  He did the almost impossible in gaining independence for Scotland.  He learned to color outside the box.
It was called "The Outlaw King"

 Far more historically accurate than Braveheart, and far less interesting. The costumes were excellent, though.

 In his prime I think Mel Gibson could make oatmeal interesting.  But this film gave Wallace his due

and credited his death as the spark of the eventually successful uprising.

ridski said:

Saw an interesting film about Robert the Bruce.  He did the almost impossible in gaining independence for Scotland.  He learned to color outside the box.
It was called "The Outlaw King"

 Far more historically accurate than Braveheart, and far less interesting. The costumes were excellent, though.

 Is that because he colored them?

LOST said:

ridski said:

Saw an interesting film about Robert the Bruce.  He did the almost impossible in gaining independence for Scotland.  He learned to color outside the box.
It was called "The Outlaw King"

 Far more historically accurate than Braveheart, and far less interesting. The costumes were excellent, though.

 Is that because he colored them?

 No.  They were ordered from LLBean.

lord_pabulum said:

ml1 said:

lord_pabulum said:

ml1 said:
If Donald Trump declines to run in 2020 for any other reason that a health event that occurs between now and then, it would be a monumental shocker.  He's already raised boatloads of money, and he's virtually assured of about 250 electoral votes before he even starts campaigning.  He's a man who never admits defeat, and loves a fight.  The only reason he would drop out would be if defeat seemed certain, and he could spin a withdrawal as some kind of win.

 How big are Trump's boats compared to Warren Buffet's boats?

 I didn't know Buffet was running, but in case you actually were asking a serious question and not trolling:
Trump Has Already Raised $100 Million for His Reelection.

Using Buffet for measurement context.  Based on the link in the article and comparing to other politician past and current fund raising, it seems Trump has a small boat.  Shame there isn't a third party SNC (Sensible National Committee) to raise funds for sensible candidates.

you're comparing to candidates who were fundraising in the last quarter before their election. For an election that is still 2 years away, Trump has raised more money than any previous president ever has.  And it's not even close.

Donald Trump's 2020 fundraising haul is totally and completely unprecedented

and not for nothing, my point was that Trump is almost certainly running again in 2020, and his fundraising is strong evidence of that.  do you disagree that Trump is planning to run for reelection?

ml1 said:
and not for nothing, my point was that Trump is almost certainly running again in 2020, and his fundraising is strong evidence of that.  do you disagree that Trump is planning to run for reelection?

 Of course he's running.  The real question is, will he keep Pence?

But in private Mr. Trump is apparently not feeling so fine. In recent weeks, with his electoral prospects two years from now much on his mind, Mr. Trump has focused on the person who has most publicly tethered his fortunes to him. In one conversation after another he has asked aides and advisers a pointed question: Is Mike Pence loyal?

Mr. Trump has repeated the question so many times that he has alarmed some of his advisers. The president has not openly suggested dropping Mr. Pence from the ticket and picking another running mate, but the advisers say those kinds of questions usually indicate that he has grown irritated with someone.

He's said publicly that he is keeping Pence, which of course means that Pence is out

ml1 said:
and not for nothing, my point was that Trump is almost certainly running again in 2020, and his fundraising is strong evidence of that.  do you disagree that Trump is planning to run for reelection?

 I don’t know if he’s running but I don’t think we should consider his fundraising as indicative of a 2020 run.   We all know of his affinity for other people’s money.   Where do you think that money is right now?   Would you be surprised if he stole all of it?  Would you be upset?  For me it’s no in both cases.  

The previous President who ran for a second term and lost was the first Bush.  He had a notable war record,

OK he missed the air craft carrier but was reasonably well liked.  He was the only man besides Babe

Ruth to hit a ball completely  out of the Yale Stadium.

Bush lost his bid for a 2nd term to Bill Clinton in 1992.   Of course he had broken his promise of "no new taxes".........thus alienating some GOP members.

Clinton took a centrist position.........had an attractive young family and presented a JFK like image.

The Dems need to present a centrist yet forward looking candidate.

Red_Barchetta said:

ml1 said:
and not for nothing, my point was that Trump is almost certainly running again in 2020, and his fundraising is strong evidence of that.  do you disagree that Trump is planning to run for reelection?

 I don’t know if he’s running but I don’t think we should consider his fundraising as indicative of a 2020 run.   We all know of his affinity for other people’s money.   Where do you think that money is right now?   Would you be surprised if he stole all of it?  Would you be upset?  For me it’s no in both cases.  

 I wouldn't be surprised if the campaign committee processes a large number of invoices from Mar-A-Lago, Trump Tower and Trump National golf club for campaign related expenses. 

author said:
The previous President who ran for a second term and lost was the first Bush.  He had a notable war record,
OK he missed the air craft carrier but was reasonably well liked.  He was the only man besides Babe
Ruth to hit a ball completely  out of the Yale Stadium.
Bush lost his bid for a 2nd term to Bill Clinton in 1992.   Of course he had broken his promise of "no new taxes".........thus alienating some GOP members.
Clinton took a centrist position.........had an attractive young family and presented a JFK like image.
The Dems need to present a centrist yet forward looking candidate.

 I am surprised by this post. I agree with the last sentence.

jimmurphy said:

author said:
The previous President who ran for a second term and lost was the first Bush.  He had a notable war record,
OK he missed the air craft carrier but was reasonably well liked.  He was the only man besides Babe
Ruth to hit a ball completely  out of the Yale Stadium.
Bush lost his bid for a 2nd term to Bill Clinton in 1992.   Of course he had broken his promise of "no new taxes".........thus alienating some GOP members.
Clinton took a centrist position.........had an attractive young family and presented a JFK like image.
The Dems need to present a centrist yet forward looking candidate.

 I am surprised by this post. I agree with the last sentence.

 I've been ill.

jimmurphy said:

author said:
The previous President who ran for a second term and lost was the first Bush.  He had a notable war record,
OK he missed the air craft carrier but was reasonably well liked.  He was the only man besides Babe
Ruth to hit a ball completely  out of the Yale Stadium.
Bush lost his bid for a 2nd term to Bill Clinton in 1992.   Of course he had broken his promise of "no new taxes".........thus alienating some GOP members.
Clinton took a centrist position.........had an attractive young family and presented a JFK like image.
The Dems need to present a centrist yet forward looking candidate.

 I am surprised by this post. I agree with the last sentence.

 Screw centrism. We've suffered for years with Democratic Centrists.

drummerboy said:

jimmurphy said:

author said:
The previous President who ran for a second term and lost was the first Bush.  He had a notable war record,
OK he missed the air craft carrier but was reasonably well liked.  He was the only man besides Babe
Ruth to hit a ball completely  out of the Yale Stadium.
Bush lost his bid for a 2nd term to Bill Clinton in 1992.   Of course he had broken his promise of "no new taxes".........thus alienating some GOP members.
Clinton took a centrist position.........had an attractive young family and presented a JFK like image.
The Dems need to present a centrist yet forward looking candidate.

 I am surprised by this post. I agree with the last sentence.

 Screw centrism. We've suffered for years with Democratic Centrists.

 The question boils down to one of pragmatism.  To approach enough voters for a win,  do the Dems nominate a centrist......like say Joe Biden or go for the ideal and give the nomination to Bernie.

If you want the win you go for Biden.  If you want the ideal you  go for Bernie.

That will be the choice in 2020.   Either would make mincemeat of Trump in a debate.....should he run.  But which will appeal to the most voters.

DB and Author seem to have traded positions. I am slightly dizzy.

In any event I have a new favorite. Sherrod Brown gave a great interview on MTP today.

Like so many I fear the direction this great nation is taken.  I am upset by our leadership.

I am willing to compromise my beliefs to change the direction of the ship of state.

Besides which I am too old to take to the Sierra Madres.