The Iran Deal Thread

According to internet sources, Iran is the seventh largest oil exporting country in the world.   Why do they need nuclear power plants for energy?    


RobertRoe said:
According to internet sources, Iran is the seventh largest oil exporting country in the world.   Why do they need nuclear power plants for energy?    

 Oil is not a big source of fuel for electricity generation.



drummerboy said:


RobertRoe said:
According to internet sources, Iran is the seventh largest oil exporting country in the world.   Why do they need nuclear power plants for energy?    
 Oil is not a big source of fuel for electricity generation.

It’s about 14 percent. Nearly all of the rest comes from natural gas, which is also plentiful in Iran. Leaving RobertRoe’s question unanswered.

The best I can come up with: They don’t need it for energy. Even without a bomb, what they need reactors for, or so they believe, is international status. 

Or, according to this 15-year-old old op-ed, they just wanted to think ahead and be green.


GL2 said:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/why-netanyahu-really-wanted-trump-to-scuttle-the-iran-deal

Interesting article. I feel Israel has really been picking sides in American politics (namely the Republicans), of course this started a while ago already (remember Netanyahu's speech in US congress?).

I am sure Democrats will remember this when they are back in power, and Israel needs their help. So what if Netanyahu is right about escalation with Iran, but it happens after 2020? This could be a serious miscalculation.


RobertRoe said:
According to internet sources, Iran is the seventh largest oil exporting country in the world.   Why do they need nuclear power plants for energy?    

 Was the same question asked when this guy tried it?


BG9 said:


RobertRoe said:
According to internet sources, Iran is the seventh largest oil exporting country in the world.   Why do they need nuclear power plants for energy?    
 Was the same question asked when this guy tried it?

 The headline of that advertisement is pretty much asking RobertRoe’s question.


gerritn said:


GL2 said:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/why-netanyahu-really-wanted-trump-to-scuttle-the-iran-deal
Interesting article. I feel Israel has really been picking sides in American politics (namely the Republicans), of course this started a while ago already (remember Netanyahu's speech in US congress?).
I am sure Democrats will remember this when they are back in power, and Israel needs their help. So what if Netanyahu is right about escalation with Iran, but it happens after 2020? This could be a serious miscalculation.

 I think the Israeli's can safely say "We didn't leave the Party. the Party left us".


Iran is also extremely well positioned for solar energy.   It's sunny about 300 day per year.

Let's not kid ourselves. They want the A bomb.  It's not only Israel specifically and the West in general they are afraid of but in the long run, they fear the "Sunni" A bombs of Pakistan as well. Pakistan is hardly stable and is right next door.  


BCC said:


I think the Israeli's can safely say "We didn't leave the Party. the Party left us".


 No.  


nohero said:


BCC said:
I think the Israeli's can safely say "We didn't leave the Party. the Party left us".

 No.  

 Yes


BCC said:


nohero said:

BCC said:
I think the Israeli's can safely say "We didn't leave the Party. the Party left us".
 No.  
 Yes

I don't think the word "safely" is appropriate in this sentence. This is not going to end well.


BCC said:


nohero said:

BCC said:
I think the Israeli's can safely say "We didn't leave the Party. the Party left us".
 No.  
 Yes

 No.  Example:

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday thanked the United States for the “unprecedented” and “historic” defense aid package, hours before Israeli and US officials were to sign the $38 billion deal in Washington.

“This agreement will ensure an unprecedented level of defense aid for Israel in the next decade,” Netanyahu said in a statement. “This is the largest military aid package the US has ever given out to any nation.”

“The agreement will help us continue building our armed forces, improve our missile defense systems,” he added. “I want to thank President Obama and his administration for this historic agreement.”  ...

Netanyahu acknowledged the recent diplomatic disputes between Jerusalem and Washington, but said they “had no effect whatsoever on the great friendship between Israel and the US.”

“These are disputes you have between family,” Netanyahu said. “This agreement demonstrates the simple truth that the relationship between Israel and the US is strong and powerful.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-thanks-obama-for-historic-military-aid-deal/


Obama's former ambassador to Israel, who still lives there and supports the embassy move, was not invited to the opening. Typical pettiness from Trump and Netanyahu.


gerritn said:


BCC said:

nohero said:

BCC said:
I think the Israeli's can safely say "We didn't leave the Party. the Party left us".
 No.  
 Yes
I don't think the word "safely" is appropriate in this sentence. This is not going to end well.

 

The word 'safely is correct because you are right, this probably is not going to end well.


nohero said:


BCC said:

nohero said:

BCC said:
I think the Israeli's can safely say "We didn't leave the Party. the Party left us".
 No.  
 Yes
 No.  Example:


Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday thanked the United States for the “unprecedented” and “historic” defense aid package, hours before Israeli and US officials were to sign the $38 billion deal in Washington.

“This agreement will ensure an unprecedented level of defense aid for Israel in the next decade,” Netanyahu said in a statement. “This is the largest military aid package the US has ever given out to any nation.”

“The agreement will help us continue building our armed forces, improve our missile defense systems,” he added. “I want to thank President Obama and his administration for this historic agreement.”  ...

Netanyahu acknowledged the recent diplomatic disputes between Jerusalem and Washington, but said they “had no effect whatsoever on the great friendship between Israel and the US.”

“These are disputes you have between family,” Netanyahu said. “This agreement demonstrates the simple truth that the relationship between Israel and the US is strong and powerful.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-thanks-obama-for-historic-military-aid-deal/

 

One example does not tell even the minimum of the entire story.

From Obama's 'apology tour' to his ham handed calling for negotiations to start at the 'green line', to his frequent insulting of Netanyahu, to his knife in Israel's back on his way out the door of the UN, he was one of the most hostile Presidents with whom Israel had to deal

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/29/world/middleeast/30prexy.htmlhad to deal.

And remember this gem from an open mic conversation with Sarkosy:

'Obama was heard to say, "You're tired of him -- what about me? I have to deal with him every day," according to a French website'.


BCC, you and others who deliberately misconstrue Obama's work around Israel should now be happy. Netanyahu is getting what he wants in Trump and his reps. Congrats!


BCC said:

nohero said:

“These are disputes you have between family,” Netanyahu said. “This agreement demonstrates the simple truth that the relationship between Israel and the US is strong and powerful.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-thanks-obama-for-historic-military-aid-deal/
 One example does not tell even the minimum of the entire story.
From Obama's 'apology tour' to his ham handed calling for negotiations to start at the 'green line', to his frequent insulting of Netanyahu, to his knife in Israel's back on his way out the door of the UN, he was one of the most hostile Presidents with whom Israel had to deal

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/29/world/middleeast/30prexy.htmlhad to deal.
And remember this gem from an open mic conversation with Sarkosy:
'Obama was heard to say, "You're tired of him -- what about me? I have to deal with him every day," according to a French website'.

 I think a Netanyahu direct quote in the Times of Israel, from September of 2016, tells the story better than your random references.


dave23 said:
BCC, you and others who deliberately misconstrue Obama's work around Israel should now be happy. Netanyahu is getting what he wants in Trump and his reps. Congrats!

 

I misconstrued nothing.

I would assume you are familiar with the outline of Obama's actions during his two terms in office.I posted. They are not the actions of a friend of Israel.

Israel is now getting what Congress gave them 20 years ago and 3 Presidents saw fit to promise to act upon and never did. Say what you will, Trump kept his promise.



nohero said:


BCC said:

nohero said:


“These are disputes you have between family,” Netanyahu said. “This agreement demonstrates the simple truth that the relationship between Israel and the US is strong and powerful.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-thanks-obama-for-historic-military-aid-deal/
 One example does not tell even the minimum of the entire story.
From Obama's 'apology tour' to his ham handed calling for negotiations to start at the 'green line', to his frequent insulting of Netanyahu, to his knife in Israel's back on his way out the door of the UN, he was one of the most hostile Presidents with whom Israel had to deal

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/29/world/middleeast/30prexy.htmlhad to deal.
And remember this gem from an open mic conversation with Sarkosy:
'Obama was heard to say, "You're tired of him -- what about me? I have to deal with him every day," according to a French website'.
 I think a Netanyahu direct quote in the Times of Israel, from September of 2016, tells the story better than your random references.

 


You have one card to play and keep playing it. If you actually understood what I wrote you would realize the rest of the deck is stacked against you.


BCC said:
Israel is now getting what Congress gave them 20 years ago and 3 Presidents saw fit to promise to act upon and never did. Say what you will, Trump kept his promise.

 Yes: Massive instability and mistrust and lots of dead Arabs. Just what Bibi and Trump want.


As I recall, the instability and mistrust were increased under Obama's 8 years in office, and who gets blamed for the dead Arabs, Hamas who organized these attacks or Israel, defending itself?

MSNBC was busy with their anchor and their reporters in the field trying to put the blame on Israel while the blurb on the bottom spoke about violence taking place.. Unfortunately the video showed a lot of empty desert, very few people on the Gaza side, and no violence.


Pastor Who Said Jews Are Going to Hell Led Prayer at Jerusalem Embassy Opening

A Dallas evangelical pastor who once said that Jewish people are going to hell and a megachurch televangelist who claimed that Hitler was part of God’s plan to return Jews to Israel both played prominent roles on Monday in the opening ceremony of the new American Embassy in Jerusalem.

Robert Jeffress, who spoke at President Trump’s private inaugural prayer service and is the pastor of First Baptist Church in Dallas, delivered a prayer at the opening ceremony on Monday, while the Rev. John C. Hagee, a televangelist who founded Christians United for Israel and leads a San Antonio megachurch, gave the closing benediction.

Despite their comments about Jewish people, the two pastors are among the leading pro-Israel voices in the evangelical Christian world. Some evangelicals believe that American foreign policy should support Israel to help fulfill biblical prophecies about the second coming of Christ.

BCC said:
You have one card to play and keep playing it. If you actually understood what I wrote you would realize the rest of the deck is stacked against you.

 I understood what you wrote.  I showed why you were mistaken.  You wrote -

BCC said:

I think the Israeli's can safely say "We didn't leave the Party. the Party left us".

 I quoted the actual Israeli Prime Minister from shortly before the 2016 election -


nohero said:


Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday thanked the United States for the “unprecedented” and “historic” defense aid package, hours before Israeli and US officials were to sign the $38 billion deal in Washington.

“This agreement will ensure an unprecedented level of defense aid for Israel in the next decade,” Netanyahu said in a statement. “This is the largest military aid package the US has ever given out to any nation.”

“The agreement will help us continue building our armed forces, improve our missile defense systems,” he added. “I want to thank President Obama and his administration for this historic agreement.”  ...

Netanyahu acknowledged the recent diplomatic disputes between Jerusalem and Washington, but said they “had no effect whatsoever on the great friendship between Israel and the US.”

“These are disputes you have between family,” Netanyahu said. “This agreement demonstrates the simple truth that the relationship between Israel and the US is strong and powerful.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-thanks-obama-for-historic-military-aid-deal/

 It has nothing to do with "cards".  It's about facts.  You're welcome!


BCC said:


gerritn said:

GL2 said:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/why-netanyahu-really-wanted-trump-to-scuttle-the-iran-deal
Interesting article. I feel Israel has really been picking sides in American politics (namely the Republicans), of course this started a while ago already (remember Netanyahu's speech in US congress?).
I am sure Democrats will remember this when they are back in power, and Israel needs their help. So what if Netanyahu is right about escalation with Iran, but it happens after 2020? This could be a serious miscalculation.
 I think the Israeli's can safely say "We didn't leave the Party. the Party left us".

 In BCC's defense, and correct me if I'm wrong BCC as you always do, I think his statement above is in answer to gerritn's question, which I might paraphrase as:

"What happens after 2020 and the Democrats are in power, Iran escalates, and Netanyahu - having spent all his political capital on aligning with US Republicans - finds himself floating in the breeze with no US help?"


I suppose you could interpret BCC's comment as a future event, but when he responded he was arguing that the "party left us" train had already left the station.


BCC said:

As I recall, the instability and mistrust were increased under Obama's 8 years in office, and who gets blamed for the dead Arabs, Hamas who organized these attacks or Israel, defending itself?

 Deliberate provocations, yes. Attacks, no. 


I find it noteworthy that Netanyahu was perfectly ok with a couple of overtly anti-Semitic preachers at the event yesterday, as long as they are in full support of every single military policy he pursues.  But if anyone ever even utters the words "disproportionate response" THEY are the anti-Semites.


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