The indictment of Comey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did Trump posting video of Biden bound and gag in the back of a truck encourage that he deserved to be kidnapped?
Remember when trump said: “If she gets to pick her judges… maybe there is nothing you can do… although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is.”
It’s one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard of. I wonder if it will get thrown out of court.
The key standard: Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969)
For speech to lose First Amendment protection as incitement, it must meet all three of these:
- Intent
The speaker intends to provoke or encourage unlawful violence. - Imminence
The violence is expected to happen right away (not vaguely someday). - Likelihood
The speech is likely to actually produce that violence.
If any one of these is missing, the speech is generally protected—even if it’s harsh or irresponsible.
Some examples with that standard:
🔹 Trump rally comments (“knock the crap out of them”)
- Intent: Arguably yes (sounds like encouraging action)
- Imminence: Possibly (said to a live crowd about people present)
- Likelihood: Debatable
👉 This is actually one of the closest to the legal line, because it’s directed at a crowd in the moment. Still, courts have been reluctant to treat it as prosecutable incitement.
🔹 “Fight like hell” (Jan 6 speech)
- Intent: Disputed (political vs literal)
- Imminence: Not specific enough
- Likelihood: Hard to prove direct causation
👉 Courts have so far treated this as protected political speech, though it’s heavily debated.
🔹 “Second Amendment people…” comment
- Intent: Ambiguous
- Imminence: No (not tied to immediate action)
- Likelihood: Low
👉 This clearly stays within protected speech, legally speaking.
🔹 Comey “86 47”
- Intent: Claimed to be non-violent
- Imminence: None
- Likelihood: Very low
👉 This is firmly protected speech—it’s too indirect and not tied to action.
COUNT ONE
On or about May 15, 2025, in the Eastern District of North Carolina, the defendant, JAMES BRIEN COMEY JR, did knowingly and willfully make a threat to take the life of, and to inflict bodily harm upon, the President of the United States, in that he publicly posted a photograph on the internet social media site Instagram which depicted seashells arranged in a pattern making out "86 47", which a reasonable recipient who is familiar with the circumstances would interpret as a serious expression of an intent to do harm to the President of the United States. In violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 871(a).
COUNT TWO
On or about May 15, 2025, in the Eastern District of North Carolina, the defendant, JAMES BRIEN COMEY JR , knowingly and willfully did transmit in interstate and foreign commerce a communication that contained a threat to kill the President , Donald J. Trump , specifically, by publicly posting a photograph on the internet social media site Instagram which depicted seashells arranged in a pattern making out "86 47 ", which a reasonable recipient who is familiar with the circumstances would interpret as a serious expression of an intent to do harm to President Trump.In violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 875(c).
jamie said:
COUNT ONE
On or about May 15, 2025, in the Eastern District of North Carolina, the defendant, JAMES BRIEN COMEY JR, did knowingly and willfully make a threat to take the life of, and to inflict bodily harm upon, the President of the United States, in that he publicly posted a photograph on the internet social media site Instagram which depicted seashells arranged in a pattern making out "86 47", which a reasonable recipient who is familiar with the circumstances would interpret as a serious expression of an intent to do harm to the President of the United States. In violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 871(a).
COUNT TWO
On or about May 15, 2025, in the Eastern District of North Carolina, the defendant, JAMES BRIEN COMEY JR , knowingly and willfully did transmit in interstate and foreign commerce a communication that contained a threat to kill the President , Donald J. Trump , specifically, by publicly posting a photograph on the internet social media site Instagram which depicted seashells arranged in a pattern making out "86 47 ", which a reasonable recipient who is familiar with the circumstances would interpret as a serious expression of an intent to do harm to President Trump.In violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 875(c).
Soooo many people would go to jail.
Are they hoping they’ll get a Trump sycophant judge in the case?
ETA: the case was assigned to Judge Louise W. Flanagan of the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of North Carolina, an appointee of President George W. Bush whose courthouse is in New Bern, N.C. So not a Trump appointee.
To be 86'd at Chumley's (86 Bedford Street in the West Village) is rumored to be the origin of the phrase '86 that guy', which meant to toss an unruly guest out of the unmarked 'secret entrance' to the establishment from the bar's outer courtyard area. It didn't mean 'kill that guy'. But no one knows the exact origin or meaning, so this is a beyond frivolous lawsuit, like most coming out of the Kafkaesque injustice department.
Well, let's not forget that Comey may have cost Hillary the 2016 Presidential Election with his "Comey Letter" to implicate her in improper handling of emails. Turned out to be a total dud, but the damage was already done. The guy is a slime ball republican hack.
Having said that, this case is obviously going to go nowhere. DOJ is just trying to prove to Dear Leader that they are going after his adversaries.
I am just wondering if Trump is realizing what is going to come to him once he leaves office? He can pardon himself all he wants, but he will commit another brand new criminal offense 6 seconds later already (he certainly got used to it in his second term, will be hard to shake that habit).
Also, I cannot wait what a next Democrat president is going to do with this newly established precedent of having the DOJ go after your opponents. Let's start with the conservative judges on the SCOTUS.
If this prosecution gets any legs. Free speech is in trouble and we need a couple of hundred million more jail cells
From NPR in 2016:
With less than two weeks to go until the Iowa caucus, Donald Trump remains characteristically confident about his chances. In fact, the Republican front-runner is so confident, he says his supporters would stay loyal even if he happened to commit a capital offense.
"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" Trump remarked at a campaign stop at Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa. "It's, like, incredible."
If the judge doesn't throw this case out in the first 10 seconds, we have a problem.
mrincredible said:
If this prosecution gets any legs. Free speech is in trouble and we need a couple of hundred million more jail cells
Let's hope we all get jail cells as nice as Ghislane!
jamie said:
Let's hope we all get jail cells as nice as Ghislane!
no. We will get converted abandoned warehouses.
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Over seashells spelling out 86 47?
WFT is going on.
To "86" someone means to get rid of, refuse service to, or eject them from a place, such as a restaurant, bar, or event. Originally appearing as 1930s diner and restaurant slang, it generally means removing someone who is rowdy, intoxicated, or unwelcome, effectively banning them from the establishment.