Jacob Blake (WI), Daniel Prude (NY), Breonna Taylor (KY), Jonathan Price (TX) - here we go again

inexcusable. this is just flat out attempted murder. (Blake is alive and in critical condition)


hoops said:

#defundthepolice

 and #demilitarizethepolice


Propublica (who in the past I've called the most depressing news organization, because they're so good) has built a database of police brutality videos.

https://projects.propublica.org/protest-police-videos/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter


looks like a case where the cops got pissed because Blake wasn't obeying their order to stop walking away.  I may be wrong, but I don't think there is any obligation to "obey" a LEO if you haven't done anything to make yourself a suspect, and you aren't doing anything to put yourself or others in danger.  

word from the neighbors was that this poor guy was there trying to break up a fight. the old cliché is that trying to be a peacemaker is the most dangerous role to be in.


I really don't want any of my taxes to go to PD anymore. What's the story in Maplewood?


Apparently Mr. Blake is paralyzed from the waist down. Not known if permanent.


Blake's mother is speaking now on CNN. Wow. Powerful. Eloquent.


Such a young guy, and trying to do the right thing.  Even if the paralysis is not permanent, permanent physical damage seems very likely.  *****   LOL

(forgive me, but i keep asking myself, didn't these supposed good guys/cops ever watch westerns??  how can they not know you don't shoot somebody in the back?  whatever they've watched and however they've been trained, needs to be changed, yesterday.)


It looks like the peaceful protests have started there.


that's almost as bad as getting shot in the back 7 times.

You certainly have an eye for atrocities.

p.s.    are you really this obtuse?


Did that store owner shoot Blake?  If so, you are absolutely right.  My bad.


terp said:

Did that store owner shoot Blake?  If so, you are absolutely right.  My bad.

 perfect answer.


drummerboy said:

terp said:

Did that store owner shoot Blake?  If so, you are absolutely right.  My bad.

 perfect answer.

 If you were shot, would you be disappointed to discover that others didn't commit random acts of violence against innocent people?


terp said:

Did that store owner shoot Blake?  If so, you are absolutely right.  My bad.

 I don't get your point. Does this mean it was OK for the cops to shoot a guy in the back multiple times?

I'm tempted to write "two wrongs don't make a right" but I would have thought you already knew that. 


That is exactly my point.  But in this case it's more like "responding to a wrong with scores of wrongs don't make a right."


terp said:

That is exactly my point.  But in this case it's more like "responding to a wrong with scores of wrongs don't make a right."

Thank you for this very insightful analysis. Maybe we can find someone who thinks violent protests are a-ok that you can direct it to. 


terp said:

drummerboy said:

terp said:

Did that store owner shoot Blake?  If so, you are absolutely right.  My bad.

 perfect answer.

 If you were shot, would you be disappointed to discover that others didn't commit random acts of violence against innocent people?

unfortunately the anger of a segment of the population oppressed for hundreds of years is not always perfectly directed.

it's kind of our collective punishment for not doing enough about it.


drummerboy said:

terp said:

drummerboy said:

terp said:

Did that store owner shoot Blake?  If so, you are absolutely right.  My bad.

 perfect answer.

 If you were shot, would you be disappointed to discover that others didn't commit random acts of violence against innocent people?

unfortunately the anger of a segment of the population oppressed for hundreds of years is not always perfectly directed.

it's kind of our collective punishment for not doing enough about it.

That is as crazy as it is stupid.


terp said:

drummerboy said:

terp said:

drummerboy said:

terp said:

Did that store owner shoot Blake?  If so, you are absolutely right.  My bad.

 perfect answer.

 If you were shot, would you be disappointed to discover that others didn't commit random acts of violence against innocent people?

unfortunately the anger of a segment of the population oppressed for hundreds of years is not always perfectly directed.

it's kind of our collective punishment for not doing enough about it.

That is as crazy as it is stupid.

lol

thank you mr. obtuse.


oh.

do you have criticism for the police in this matter?


ml1 said:

terp said:

That is exactly my point.  But in this case it's more like "responding to a wrong with scores of wrongs don't make a right."

Thank you for this very insightful analysis. Maybe we can find someone who thinks violent protests are a-ok that you can direct it to. 

 You're welcome.  Please let me know if you are able to find someone.  I must warn you that often they deny the very existence of violence or try to blame it on the right despite the copious amounts of evidence of the former and the lack of evidence of the latter.  


drummerboy said:

oh.

do you have criticism for the police in this matter?

 Of course I do.  But I am not psychotic enough to think that store owner had it coming.


terp said:

 You're welcome.  Please let me know if you are able to find someone.  I must warn you that often they deny the very existence of violence or try to blame it on the right despite the copious amounts of evidence of the former and the lack of evidence of the latter.  

 who are "they"


I didn't actually say he had it coming. I said that violent outbursts are to be expected when it's charged by centuries of oppression. And if we could better alleviate the oppression, maybe the outbursts would be moderated. But since we don't, we'll have to suffer with the violence.

Is there something wrong with the above logic? Do you think we can somehow just wish away these violent reactions?

Do you need me to translate any more of my posts?


terp said:

drummerboy said:

oh.

do you have criticism for the police in this matter?

 Of course I do.  But I am not psychotic enough to think that store owner had it coming.

 have you ever considered that maybe the cops were (at least part of) the cause of this man's injury?


drummerboy said:

I didn't actually say he had it coming. I said that violent outbursts are to be expected when it's charged by centuries of oppression. And if we could better alleviate the oppression, maybe the outbursts would be moderated. But since we don't, we'll have to suffer with the violence.

Is there something wrong with the above logic? Do you think we can somehow just wish away these violent reactions?

Do you need me to translate any more of my posts?

 I understand what you are saying and it's clearly collectivist nonsense.  You are tacitly condoning violence.  The above post is evil.  It is as evil as defending or rationalizing any initiation of violence.  


terp said:

It looks like the peaceful protests have started there.

We have systems, institutions, and people to respond to, attempt to mitigate, and restore the damage from crowds causing property damage. I don't think you'll find any people on this board advocating for the defunding of property insurance companies or saying anyone who commits assault should not face consequences for their actions. 

We do not appear to have any real recourse for agents of the state killing and severely injuring citizens. Yet, for some reason, you seem to feel that this is not the appropriate place to put our focus. Why that is, I suppose only you can answer. Maybe we should make it a math problem -- how many stores equals a human life? If no stores are damaged, can we keep the focus on a man's life? What if five are damaged? Ten? If I go on twitter can I get an answer to this simple math problem?


drummerboy said:

terp said:

drummerboy said:

oh.

do you have criticism for the police in this matter?

 Of course I do.  But I am not psychotic enough to think that store owner had it coming.

 have you ever considered that maybe the cops were (at least part of) the cause of this man's injury?

 If the man you are talking about is Blake, then certainly.  If you are talking about the business owners in the town then, no.


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