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I'll bet this has been happening since he started knocking off competitors for the nomination.
How could any serious person read that flyer and think it came from a Trump person? They might as well have written "and then we shall sacrifice babies to The Orange One at the witching hour!" How credulous do you have to be?
As far as Trump muggers and car thieves- yes. A known issue. Happens daily, or people say it does!
Here's a Trump voter smashing some innocent folks knuckles and feet with his face. So much violence in Trump's America.
Disturbing story, Jackson. And I appreciate your adding it to the list.
But tell me, why did you feel the need to be dismissive of the links I posted? This could be a couple of isolated incidents for sure. It could be a sign of a more widespread trend. What's your animosity towards my concern?
Because with a thousand stories showing up in a Google search for "violent trump protests" (with video! Swearsies not making it up!) somehow we're going with a flyer written like it's what a 3rd grader thinks a trump voter would say.
I chose to post that one and the other because they both involve what appear to be confirmed police investigations.
There are several more I've seen on social media, some of which are pretty chilling. But I didn't want to put emphasis on stories that couldn't be independently verified. As you say a simple Google search comes up with plenty.
You can try to wave this away or you can try and diminish the problem by saying Clinton supporters are guilty too. I have no problem if you want to point out stories of Clinton supporters committing acts of violence. But Trump's campaign gained strength partly by playing off people's fear and anger, sometimes at specific groups, and now his name is being invoked in the commission of hate crimes. This is a trend that should be paid attention to and called out.
Seriously, what do stories like this one say about the true feelings of some Americans? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/vandal-wrote-trump-nyu-muslim-student-prayer-room-door-article-1.2868035
I'll leave it at this- the police investigate because that's what they do. I am sure that there will be video and security footage that will make finding whoever did any of these things pretty easy. Hopefully in the case of the one story you posted it can be in time for the anti-trump protest one of the people interviewed plugged.
I'm sure you'll agree that you can no more blame Trump supporters for some unknown person writing his name on a door than you can blame Hillary supporters for painting "die whites die" on the Lee memorial in NOLA, right?
Jackson_Fusion said:
I'll leave it at this- the police investigate because that's what they do. I am sure that there will be video and security footage that will make finding whoever did any of these things pretty easy. Hopefully in the case of the one story you posted it can be in time for the anti-trump protest one of the people interviewed plugged.
I'm sure you'll agree that you can no more blame Trump supporters for some unknown person writing his name on a door than you can blame Hillary supporters for painting "die whites die" on the Lee memorial in NOLA, right?
The difference is that Trump's rhetoric and subsequent win has empowered hate groups in America.
tjohn said:
Jackson_Fusion said:
I'll leave it at this- the police investigate because that's what they do. I am sure that there will be video and security footage that will make finding whoever did any of these things pretty easy. Hopefully in the case of the one story you posted it can be in time for the anti-trump protest one of the people interviewed plugged.
I'm sure you'll agree that you can no more blame Trump supporters for some unknown person writing his name on a door than you can blame Hillary supporters for painting "die whites die" on the Lee memorial in NOLA, right?
The difference is that Trump's rhetoric and subsequent win has empowered hate groups in America.
So you editorialize. I could editorialize that the rhetoric from people who should know better on the left is what is encouraging the fires in our streets over the last couple years.
Within my editorial I could point out that these "spontaneous" protests are anything but.
Who empowered the beating I posted? Who empowered the burning and destruction? Oh wait. Only speech (or purported speech) on the right is responsible for every bad act. The left? It just happens, like an earthquake or a hurricane. No one is to blame. Not even for the assassination threats on Twitter of all places.
There are organized, deliberate hateful actions happening in America today.
Violence ebbs and flows. I think that time will show in the coming months that more and more hate crimes are being committed by a newly empowered white supremacists fringe.
Question: Do you understand why this election is a nightmare for LGBTQ, Hispanic and Muslim citizens?
tjohn said:
Violence ebbs and flows. I think that time will show in the coming months that more and more hate crimes are being committed by a newly empowered white supremacists fringe.
Question: Do you understand why this election is a nightmare for LGBTQ, Hispanic and Muslim citizens?
When those hate crimes occur and are proven to be just that let's hear about them. Running a purported tally of "incidents", some of them comical (the flyer), all of them unconfirmed (crazy trump supporters running around NYU and SDSU?) encourages people to go nuts. Given that the only documented, out-in- the open violent hate crimes, captured on video in technicolor are NOT from where you think they're going to come from, I'll go with worrying about what's actually happening versus what someone thinks is going to happen. That's part of being in the reality based community.
Trump voters, btw, would not be responsible for what some (to this point postulated) animal does to people for political reasons. They should be jailed and banished from polite society. That is unequivocal. There is no excuse for hate crimes. None. Never.
Would you likewise demand the same punishment for those actually committing hate crimes in the real world on the left?
While we're at it there should be a massive amount of documented incidents that have been prosecuted over the last 8 years, due to all the crazy people on the right rioting during the Obama years. I think the supremacists @ Google made them disappear. Can anyone help?
Jackson_Fusion said:
Would you likewise demand the same punishment for those actually committing hate crimes in the real world on the left?
What on Earth are you talking about. Crimes are crimes. I am simply postulating that hate crimes against Muslims and Hispanics, to name two, will increase over the next four years. So how about we circle back in a couple of years and check the tally.
tjohn said:
Jackson_Fusion said:
Would you likewise demand the same punishment for those actually committing hate crimes in the real world on the left?
What on Earth are you talking about. Crimes are crimes. I am simply postulating that hate crimes against Muslims and Hispanics, to name two, will increase over the next four years. So how about we circle back in a couple of years and check the tally.
Let's hope they don't disappear like the ones from the last 8 years! Write em down!
I'm somewhat inclined to believe the information compiled by the SPLC. The only reason for optimism, I suppose is that the right wing hate groups relaxed and declined during the Bush Administration and maybe will do so under a Trump Administration.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2016/year-hate-and-extremism
Jackson_Fusion said:
While we're at it there should be a massive amount of documented incidents that have been prosecuted over the last 8 years, due to all the crazy people on the right rioting during the Obama years. I think the supremacists @ Google made them disappear. Can anyone help?
I never pegged you as a paranoid.
tjohn said:
I'm somewhat inclined to believe the information compiled by the SPLC. The only reason for optimism, I suppose is that the right wing hate groups relaxed and declined during the Bush Administration and maybe will do so under a Trump Administration.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2016/year-hate-and-extremism
Ah, Morris Dees. Remember when he put the Family Research Council on the "hate group" list because they advocated for "traditional marriage"? Remember when Floyd Corkins shot up the place and cited the inclusion on the SPLC "hate group" list as his motivation? Good times.
I was trying to find FRC related violence and all I saw was when they got shot. I must be missing all the other stories where they attacked people.
Jackson_Fusion said:
tjohn said:
I'm somewhat inclined to believe the information compiled by the SPLC. The only reason for optimism, I suppose is that the right wing hate groups relaxed and declined during the Bush Administration and maybe will do so under a Trump Administration.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2016/year-hate-and-extremism
Ah, Morris Dees. Remember when he put the Family Research Council on the "hate group" list because they advocated for "traditional marriage"? Remember when Floyd Corkins shot up the place and cited the inclusion on the SPLC "hate group" list as his motivation? Good times.
I was trying to find FRC related violence and all I saw was when they got shot. I must be missing all the other stories where they attacked people.
I was more interested in broad numbers and trends, but if it makes you feel better to cite cases of a hate group that didn't act out, knock yourself out.
tjohn said:
Jackson_Fusion said:
tjohn said:
I'm somewhat inclined to believe the information compiled by the SPLC. The only reason for optimism, I suppose is that the right wing hate groups relaxed and declined during the Bush Administration and maybe will do so under a Trump Administration.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2016/year-hate-and-extremism
Ah, Morris Dees. Remember when he put the Family Research Council on the "hate group" list because they advocated for "traditional marriage"? Remember when Floyd Corkins shot up the place and cited the inclusion on the SPLC "hate group" list as his motivation? Good times.
I was trying to find FRC related violence and all I saw was when they got shot. I must be missing all the other stories where they attacked people.
I was more interested in broad numbers and trends, but if it makes you feel better to cite cases of a hate group that didn't act out, knock yourself out.
Oh, you miss the deliciously ironic point! SPLC puts a completely non-violent group that advocates for traditional marriage on a list of hate groups. A looney reads the list and decides to attack the "hate group"... And he does! With real bullets! Shot some poor security guard, who was quite the hero in stopping this loser from killing everyone he could- which was his specific intent.
During his FBI interview he cited SPLC's "rhetoric" identifying FRC as a hate group as the motivation for his attempt to kill people at FRC headquarters.
So... irony of ironies! If "rhetoric" makes us responsible for the actions of others, you're citing a group that instigated a homicidal hate attack on a non-violent group they disagree with as the authority on hate crimes.
And I supposed in some sense they are!
I wonder if the violence would have been even worse if HRC had won the electoral college vote (yes, I know the electoral college has not actually voted yet). We live in violent times in a country prone to violence. Trump's rhetoric and support did not emerge out of thin air. I don't see this year's election, whichever candidate won, changing that unfortunately.
I guess some people would be willing to criticize the Polish resistance, too. Both sides do it!
tom said:
I guess some people would be willing to criticize the Polish resistance, too. Both sides do it!
So the FRC is the nazis, and the shooters and instigators are the polish resistance? Omlet eggs and all that?
Deep thought there. Deep, whacked out thought.
Post all alleged crimes here- we shall revisit in 4 years and give an accounting of what was what. Or maybe we won't, since President Trump will probably make hate crimes not only legal but mandatory.
See you 11/11/2020!
Jackson_Fusion said:
So the FRC is the nazis, and the shooter is the polish resistance?
So Morris Dees with his language is Donald Trump with his language, and the list is the rallies?
DaveSchmidt said:
Jackson_Fusion said:
So the FRC is the nazis, and the shooter is the polish resistance?
So Morris Dees with his language is Donald Trump with his language, and the list is the rallies?
Right??? Impossible to figure out what he's trying to say, I agree.
royg said:
A woman kicks out her son for voting for Trump at school
Please, please tell me that isn't real. That poor child.
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I took a look at Shaun King's Twitter feed today. He's collecting stories from around the country about some of the hate crimes which have occurred in the wake of the election of Donald Trump.
It's pretty sickening. It looks like some pretty sick individuals have become emboldened by his victory.
Here's a nice one:
http://www.statesman.com/news/local/texas-state-university-police-looking-into-trump-vigilante-fliers/jhWSmmhNxxuTXZaQJiYhNI/
A lot of what he's posting are social media posts rather than verifiable news stories but a couple of them have been referenced on NPR today. I really hope and pray these are isolated incidents that will die away soon. And that law enforcement will pursue these investigations with vigor.