ok, boomer

Jackson_Fusion said:

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Frighteningly red guard of them. The society you’re in is the finest ever known to man. Improve it if you can. Or just keep banging your highchair and whine about it. Whatevs. Just keep out of the way, k?

 Privilege much?


regarding criticism of the boomers - I do kind of blame them for a number of the disturbing political trends which have arisen in the past few decades, which I date back to 1980 with Reagan's election. Things like believing in the tax-cutting trickle down b.s. of Reaganomics, which has helped to wreck our infrastructure; the rise of the evangelical movement which has brought us to the point where abortion rights are in jeopardy around the country; anti-union sentiments which have gutted our working class; and anti-teacher sentiments which have caused the rise of the charter school grift at the expense of our public schools (to say nothing of devaluing and demeaning the status of teachers) . I'm sure people can think of others.

Ideally there would be polling data (maybe there is) that specifically tracked how boomers have voted since 1980. Lacking that, I just conveniently blame us boomers. Maybe I'm right, maybe not.


The Fox News audience is overwhelmingly Boomers and Silent. And if not for those generations of voters, Hillary Clinton would have won the election in a landslide. So we can blame Boomers for Trump. 


Well technically I am GenX, but if I'd been born 9 months earlier, that would make me Boomer.  So...Get off my lawn  grin



Someone asked why the sudden pile-on/interest in the phrase? Has that been answered off-thread? Does that poster understand about TikTok and how the phrase became popular with videos there, and then a young NZ parliamentarian used ‘OK boomer’ in reply to an older male heckler while she was speaking in the House last week?

So context of use packs heaps of meaning in too, as well as straight definition. 


drummerboy said:

Jackson_Fusion said:

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Frighteningly red guard of them. The society you’re in is the finest ever known to man. Improve it if you can. Or just keep banging your highchair and whine about it. Whatevs. Just keep out of the way, k?

 Privilege much?

 Easy on the highchair.


Rob_Sandow said:

Well technically I am GenX, but if I'd been born 9 months earlier, that would make me Boomer.  So...Get off my lawn 
grin

 I hate that the year I was born, 1963, is lumped in with Boomers. I see people I grew up with act like “grumpy old white guys” and it blows my mind- and they are several years younger than me. I don’t get that at all. 
I personally feel more like a Gen X-er.


STANV said:

kthnry said:

ml1 said:

As a Boomer, I'm totally OK with this. Our generation handed the next generation a bucket of ****. And then we criticize them for calling it a bucket of ****. 

I'm on their side. 

 +1. I'm deeply ashamed of the mess we've left behind.

 What did the previous generation leave us? You know, "The Greatest Generation".

The threat of nuclear holocaust, racial segregation, male supremacy, hatred of gay people. While the first may still exist I do not see people building fallout shelters. And while we may not have completely "overcome" the rest we "boomers" have certainly made a great deal of progress on those.

 The generation before the boomers and after the Greatest Generation was the Silent Generation. 


cramer said:

STANV said:

kthnry said:

ml1 said:

As a Boomer, I'm totally OK with this. Our generation handed the next generation a bucket of ****. And then we criticize them for calling it a bucket of ****. 

I'm on their side. 

 +1. I'm deeply ashamed of the mess we've left behind.

 What did the previous generation leave us? You know, "The Greatest Generation".

The threat of nuclear holocaust, racial segregation, male supremacy, hatred of gay people. While the first may still exist I do not see people building fallout shelters. And while we may not have completely "overcome" the rest we "boomers" have certainly made a great deal of progress on those.

 The generation before the boomers and after the Greatest Generation was the Silent Generation. 

 What years are you talking about?  I thought the Greatest Generation fought World War II, then begat the boomers. 


tomcarlson - Yeah, I always thought so too. But I was wondering what generation someone born in 1941  was part of and found this: 

The Silent Generation is the demographic cohort following the Greatest Generation and preceding the baby boomers. Demographers and researchers use mid-to-late 1920s as starting birth years and early-to-mid 1940s as ending birth years, with 1928 to 1945 a widely accepted definition.[citation needed]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Generation

and this: 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilhowe/2014/08/13/the-silent-generation-the-lucky-few-part-3-of-7/#5c6b9e2c63bf




I don't think I've ever heard of the Silent Generation before this thread.

Which I guess is appropriate.


Jackson_Fusion said:

drummerboy said:

Jackson_Fusion said:

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Frighteningly red guard of them. The society you’re in is the finest ever known to man. Improve it if you can. Or just keep banging your highchair and whine about it. Whatevs. Just keep out of the way, k?

 Privilege much?

 Easy on the highchair.

I'm just saying that maybe a perch in SOMA is not the best place from which to come to the conclusion that we're in the  "finest (society) ever known to man" - which even if true, kind of implies a uniformity of comfort which certainly doesn't exist.

And as my later post demonstrates, lots of parts of this society are on the downswing.


ml1 said:

The Fox News audience is overwhelmingly Boomers and Silent. And if not for those generations of voters, Hillary Clinton would have won the election in a landslide. So we can blame Boomers for Trump. 

Um.

Maybe if more younger folks had come out to vote? The responsibility cuts both ways.


Rob_Sandow said:

Well technically I am GenX, but if I'd been born 9 months earlier, that would make me Boomer.  So...Get off my lawn 
grin

 So I must confess that if Boomers begin in 1946 then by 4 months I am technically part of the Silent Generation but I have always identified with the Boomers and have not often been silent.

But considering the birth date of Bernie Sanders or Abbie Hoffman or M.L. King or the Freedom Riders "silent" is certainly a misnomer.


drummerboy said:

Jackson_Fusion said:

drummerboy said:

Jackson_Fusion said:

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Frighteningly red guard of them. The society you’re in is the finest ever known to man. Improve it if you can. Or just keep banging your highchair and whine about it. Whatevs. Just keep out of the way, k?

 Privilege much?

 Easy on the highchair.

I'm just saying that maybe a perch in SOMA is not the best place from which to come to the conclusion that we're in the  "finest (society) ever known to man" - which even if true, kind of implies a uniformity of comfort which certainly doesn't exist.

And as my later post demonstrates, lots of parts of this society are on the downswing.



In all of human history there’s no parallel. Declaring that it falls short of Utopia doesn’t make that statement any less true. 

To find historical hell, search for the places and times where Utopian zealotry held sway.

Holding someone accountable for something based on the revolution around the sun they fell to earth during is more simple-minded, rabble-rousing identity politics on yet another irrelevant axis. And like with the red guard, it isn’t likely to turn out well.

But hey, whatever. Let’a Go Up Into The Mountains and Down To The Countryside with Greta and the rest of the angry ignorant. It’ll be great.




Jackson_Fusion said:



In all of human history there’s no parallel. Declaring that it falls short of Utopia doesn’t make that statement any less true. 

To find historical hell, search for the places and times where Utopian zealotry held sway.

Holding someone accountable for something based on the revolution around the sun they fell to earth during is more simple-minded, rabble-rousing identity politics on yet another irrelevant axis. And like with the red guard, it isn’t likely to turn out well.

But hey, whatever. Let’a Go Up Into The Mountains and Down To The Countryside with Greta and the rest of the angry ignorant. It’ll be great.

 er, what?

also, the boomers are being held accountable for what they've done, not for when they were born.


Jackson_Fusion said:



In all of human history there’s no parallel. Declaring that it falls short of Utopia doesn’t make that statement any less true. 

To find historical hell, search for the places and times where Utopian zealotry held sway.

Holding someone accountable for something based on the revolution around the sun they fell to earth during is more simple-minded, rabble-rousing identity politics on yet another irrelevant axis. And like with the red guard, it isn’t likely to turn out well.

But hey, whatever. Let’a Go Up Into The Mountains and Down To The Countryside with Greta and the rest of the angry ignorant. It’ll be great.

 it's not "identity politics."  There are people who are younger than others, and at different life stages.  Sure it's arbitrary where one makes the cutoffs, but there is no doubt that a 30 year old is in a different life stage than a 60 year old, with a whole different set of formative experiences that they share with their cohorts.

your responses on this thread are a pretty good example of what the Millennials are reacting to.


ml1 said:

Jackson_Fusion said:



In all of human history there’s no parallel. Declaring that it falls short of Utopia doesn’t make that statement any less true. 

To find historical hell, search for the places and times where Utopian zealotry held sway.

Holding someone accountable for something based on the revolution around the sun they fell to earth during is more simple-minded, rabble-rousing identity politics on yet another irrelevant axis. And like with the red guard, it isn’t likely to turn out well.

But hey, whatever. Let’a Go Up Into The Mountains and Down To The Countryside with Greta and the rest of the angry ignorant. It’ll be great.

 it's not "identity politics."  There are people who are younger than others, and at different life stages.  Sure it's arbitrary where one makes the cutoffs, but there is no doubt that a 30 year old is in a different life stage than a 60 year old, with a whole different set of formative experiences that they share with their cohorts.

your responses on this thread are a pretty good example of what the Millennials are reacting to.

 ml1: “it’s not identify politics”.

Also ml1: “but there is no doubt that a 30 year old is in a different life stage than a 60 year old, with a whole different set of formative experiences that they share with their cohorts

Too funny! 


Jackson_Fusion said:

 ml1: “it’s not identify politics”.

Also ml1: “but there is no doubt that a 30 year old is in a different life stage than a 60 year old, with a whole different set of formative experiences that they share with their cohorts

Too funny! 

If you're going to label all policy proposals aimed at a particular life stage as "identity politics" the term ceases to have any meaningful use.  Were Bush's Medicare expansion and NCLB "identity politics" because they were aimed at seniors and kids?


ml1 said:

Jackson_Fusion said:

 ml1: “it’s not identify politics”.

Also ml1: “but there is no doubt that a 30 year old is in a different life stage than a 60 year old, with a whole different set of formative experiences that they share with their cohorts

Too funny! 

If you're going to label all policy proposals aimed at a particular life stage as "identity politics" the term ceases to have any meaningful use.  Were Bush's Medicare expansion and NCLB "identity politics" because they were aimed at seniors and kids?

 I guess any use of demographic characteristics is identity politics now.

Makes it very convenient for dismissing concerns - which is the whole point of the phrase anyway.


ml1 said:

Jackson_Fusion said:

 ml1: “it’s not identify politics”.

Also ml1: “but there is no doubt that a 30 year old is in a different life stage than a 60 year old, with a whole different set of formative experiences that they share with their cohorts

Too funny! 

If you're going to label all policy proposals aimed at a particular life stage as "identity politics" the term ceases to have any meaningful use.  Were Bush's Medicare expansion and NCLB "identity politics" because they were aimed at seniors and kids?

 I’m sorry, what policy was “ok boomer” advocating?


Jackson_Fusion said:

ml1 said:

Jackson_Fusion said:

 ml1: “it’s not identify politics”.

Also ml1: “but there is no doubt that a 30 year old is in a different life stage than a 60 year old, with a whole different set of formative experiences that they share with their cohorts

Too funny! 

If you're going to label all policy proposals aimed at a particular life stage as "identity politics" the term ceases to have any meaningful use.  Were Bush's Medicare expansion and NCLB "identity politics" because they were aimed at seniors and kids?

 I’m sorry, what policy was “ok boomer” advocating?

in case you haven't noticed, we've moved far past the simplicity of "ok boomer" to talk about specific issues.


Jackson_Fusion said:

 I’m sorry, what policy was “ok boomer” advocating?

 we had moved on to a lot of other issues.  But if you were only responding to the "ok boomer" phrase, what does that have to do with identity politics?  


ml1 said:

Jackson_Fusion said:

 I’m sorry, what policy was “ok boomer” advocating?

 we had moved on to a lot of other issues.  But if you were only responding to the "ok boomer" phrase, what does that have to do with identity politics?  

Questions with a question. Of course.

Is age and generation an identifying characteristic? Yes or no?

Is age or generation being used to denigrate the behaviors and opinions  of one group or raise up the behaviors and opinions of another group? Yes or no?

As my generation would say, thanks for playing, kthx bye.


DB, you didn’t know what the “silent generation” is, and you had no idea what I was referring to with the mountains/countryside comment. Maybe sit this one out?




Jackson_Fusion said:

As my generation would say, thanks for playing, kthx bye.


DB, you didn’t know what the “silent generation” is, and you had no idea what I was referring to with the mountains/countryside comment. Maybe sit this one out?

And it seems nobody’s interested in learning but the teacher.

Jackson_Fusion! 


Jackson_Fusion said:

Questions with a question. Of course.

Is age and generation an identifying characteristic? Yes or no?

Is age or generation being used to denigrate the behaviors and opinions  of one group or raise up the behaviors and opinions of another group? Yes or no?

As my generation would say, thanks for playing, kthx bye.


DB, you didn’t know what the “silent generation” is, and you had no idea what I was referring to with the mountains/countryside comment. Maybe sit this one out?

what does that have to do with politics?


Ok boomers. It's supposed to be dismissive. You're not supposed to like it when someone says it!

It's essentially a retort to the whole 'millennials are killing...' articles that come out, where some established industry complains that millennials don't interact with them in the same way as they would like. And this recently reached a pretty ridiculous point when the Post posted an article "How millennials have killed the Manhattan power lunch".

That article is pretty much the epitome of what one should respond to 'ok boomer' with.

For the record, I'm pretty deep Gen X, so I can be ignored because that's what people do with Gen X!


ml1 said:

Jackson_Fusion said:

Questions with a question. Of course.

Is age and generation an identifying characteristic? Yes or no?

Is age or generation being used to denigrate the behaviors and opinions  of one group or raise up the behaviors and opinions of another group? Yes or no?

As my generation would say, thanks for playing, kthx bye.


DB, you didn’t know what the “silent generation” is, and you had no idea what I was referring to with the mountains/countryside comment. Maybe sit this one out?

what does that have to do with politics?

 Which part? If it’s the “ok boomer” part and not you white knighting for DB, surely you cannot be unaware of the sources of the recent emergence of “OK Boomer” as an issue at all.

Or perhaps you are, in which case... what are you doing in this thread?

DS- so like Wiley E Coyote, without the relevance and gravitas, or need for attention to be paid to.  Hope you’re well. 



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