Update: now they are doubling down. - Anti Semitic actions carried out by organizers of the Chicago's Dyke March. One more instance of anti Semitism on the left to add to the multitude of incidents
LBGT rights are far better in Israel than any Arab country. So F@@K you with your pinkwashing s@@t
No on plays the framing game more consistently than you, Gilgul. How far to the extreme does a group have to be before you cease to claim it represents the "left."? I never see you play this game with the "right." I could spend the next forever posting ugliness from the altright and beyond, including anti-semitic ugliness, and you would cry to the heavens that they do not represent the right. Should I start?
THIS!
And those who quickly chime in to agree need to know the history of his/her posts and the meaning behind its message.
bub said:
No on plays the framing game more consistently than you, Gilgul. How far to the extreme does a group have to be before you cease to claim it represents the "left."? I never see you play this game with the "right." I could spend the next forever posting ugliness from the altright and beyond, including anti-semitic ugliness, and you would cry to the heavens that they do not represent the right. Should I start?
In this case certainly not extreme.
"Dyke March has taken place for over 20 years. It was done to raise awareness and empower those who identify as female, and others who felt marginalized and/or felt invisible at Chicago’s Pride Parade, among the onslaught of commercial and political candidate floats."
read more "The Chicago Dyke March Preaches Inclusion. So Why Was I Kicked Out for Carrying a Jewish Pride Flag?": http://www.haaretz.com/us-news...
So how about addressing the issue of the clear anti-Antisemitism that was exhibited. Haaretz is the Israeli newspaper proudly on the left. Hard to dismiss all the coverage of this event there as some kind of political bias.
Not defending it at all. I'm not an apologist for the Dyke March (which as the article noted is not part of the main Pride event there). I'm not even a leftie. You evade my main point,. though, about framing. You don't just say "hey, these Dyke March people did a bad thing." It's always more "the left does it again" stuff. Answer my question. Does this same framing thing work on the right? Is every anti-Semitic or racist doctrine, action, outburst from any fringe right group a general indictment of "the right," i.e. of you? Are you responsible for militias, white identity groups, etc? This framing game works both ways.
Shame on you for not speaking out about this Gilgul. I will be posting stuff like this until you are sick of it because its endless. It represents you by the way, correct? Cause its, you know, "on the right":
bub said:
Not defending it at all. I'm not an apologist for the Dyke March (which as the article noted is not part of the main Pride event there). I'm not even a leftie. You evade my main point,. though, about framing. You don't just say "hey, these Dyke March people did a bad thing." It's always more "the left does it again" stuff. Answer my question. Does this same framing thing work on the right? Is every anti-Semitic or racist doctrine, action, outburst from any fringe right group a general indictment of "the right," i.e. of you? Are you responsible for militias, white identity groups, etc? This framing game works both ways.
anti-semitism is actually an organizing principle of many if not most alt-right groups. Anti-semitism certainly can be found among people of almost any ideological orientation, but it's not a core tenet of most "leftist" groups. Anti-semitism is not an organizing principle of the LGBT rights movement, or Occupy, or the "resistance." Is there anti-semitism among members of those groups? It's likely. As a reflection of bigotry and prejudice throughout the society. But did people join Occupy or LBBT groups motivated by their anti-semitism? Very doubtful, since that isn't the mission of any of them.
Gilgul said:
Excuses and deflections. Always excuses and deflections.
Nobody is excusing or deflecting, or approving the exclusion at that event. Trying to use it to accuse other Pride participants in other events of being anti-Semitic is not right. I suppose there are some homophobes out there who would love to try to get some progressives to back away from gay rights activists, and that's pretty sleazy if they are doing that.
The inherently anti Semitic idea that somehow Jewish support for LGBT rights is "pinkwashing", just an attempt by evil Jews to cover up their evilness is a rapidly growing menace.
It's inherently a divide-and-conquer methodology to have so purposefully exploited LGBT politics in an attempt to influence Jewish/Israel/Islam/Palestinian politics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkwashing_(LGBT)
Rapidly Gilgul, rapidly? Menace? Do you know anyone personally who holds that opinion? Any lefties on MOL expressed that opinion? I guaranty you there were Jews in the offshoot Dyke March, not to mention the mainstream Pride marches everywhere.
Info on the group that was asked to leave the parade.
Fun fact part 2 about A Wider Bridge, whose staff and members were asked to leave Dyke March Chicago this past weekend: Their donors include major funders of groups rated by the Southern Poverty Law Center to be anti-Muslim hatemongers. One of them, the Koret Foundation, contributed $120,000 in just one year to Daniel Pipes’ Middle East Forum. Daniel Pipes has previously referred to growing acceptance of trans people as the sign of a "civilization in decline." In that same year, Koret gave to the following groups that have also been singled out by the Southern Poverty Law Center: David Yerushalmi’s Society of Americans for National Existence (SANE) ($90,000), The David Horowitz Freedom Center ($25,000), Steven Emerson’s Investigative Project on Terrorism ($50,000), Frank Gaffney’s Center for Security Policy ($50,000). Not to mention countless pro-Israeli military and pro-Israeli settlement organizations.
My son and his girlfriend were in Harrisburg PA not long ago and actually stumbled into this white power rally, which apparently has been going on for years. Gilgul, you have not even once condemned it or even mentioned it so I'm going to assume you and every other conservative/Republican who has ignored it actually endorses it because its, you know, "the right," And by the way, as noted in the article these groups love Trump. I don't think the groups you dig up surfing the internet loved Hillary or any other main stream Dem candidate: http://www.thedailybeast.com/s...
It's despicable. Unfortunately, antisemitism is a feature of extremist movements on both the right and the left. On the right, it comes in the form of Jew hatred plain and simple. On the left it comes in the form of anti-Zionism.
One message to DykeMarch: Try living openly in any Arab or Muslim country. Just to see what happens.
What makes the "Dyke March" left?
What is their position on:
Minimum wage laws.
Tax policy
Healthcare policy and, specifically, Medicaid funding.
Global warming and environmental protection
shoshannah said:
One message to DykeMarch: Try living openly in any Arab or Muslim country. Just to see what happens.
Correct. And if they support those regimes they are not "Left".
wedjet said:
Info on the group that was asked to leave the parade.
Fun fact part 2 about A Wider Bridge, whose staff and members were asked to leave Dyke March Chicago this past weekend: Their donors include major funders of groups rated by the Southern Poverty Law Center to be anti-Muslim hatemongers. One of them, the Koret Foundation, contributed $120,000 in just one year to Daniel Pipes’ Middle East Forum. Daniel Pipes has previously referred to growing acceptance of trans people as the sign of a "civilization in decline." In that same year, Koret gave to the following groups that have also been singled out by the Southern Poverty Law Center: David Yerushalmi’s Society of Americans for National Existence (SANE) ($90,000), The David Horowitz Freedom Center ($25,000), Steven Emerson’s Investigative Project on Terrorism ($50,000), Frank Gaffney’s Center for Security Policy ($50,000). Not to mention countless pro-Israeli military and pro-Israeli settlement organizations.
Sooo, what are you saying? That it's OK that they were asked to leave the march because of how they are funded? Or you're just pointing out a fun fact?
The march was about LBGT rights. I didn't realize that people's views on other issues had to be vetted before being allowed to march.
Decided to check out this organization.
http://awiderbridge.org/about/
Is there a similar organization of Arab-Americans in support of gender equality in the areas under the Palestinian Authority?
With Google I can ask and answer.
And the title thread still hasn't been changed so getting him/her to see our views on this is a time waster.
Sadly, thread title is accurate. And you all prove it. Everyone is so anxious to push their "progressive" ideas they are fine ignoring creeping anti Semitism unless they actively support it.
Oh, go make Aliyah already, and find out what some real Israeli's think. My great-uncle in California sends me the same conspiracy-theories-with-the-'left' you keep nuttering about, while my cousins in Israel have asked him to stop emailing them that crap.
Gilgul said:
Sadly, thread title is accurate. And you all prove it. Everyone is so anxious to push their "progressive" ideas they are fine ignoring creeping anti Semitism unless they actively support it.
The thread title is way off - should read - Anti Semitic actions carried out by organizers of the Chicago's Dyke March.
Or are you just saying anything LGBT = Left and anything happening at such event should is an action taken by the "Left".
Haaretz begs to differ.
sprout said:
Oh, go make Aliyah already, and find out what some real Israeli's think. My great-uncle in California sends me the same conspiracy-theories-with-the-'left' you keep nuttering about, while my cousins in Israel have asked him to stop emailing them that crap.
Haaretz also runs stories on how the Trump apologists are anti-Semitic... but yet, you say nothing.
You love your one story of anti-Semitism on the 'Left' so much that you are blind to the 'Right's role:
Former Envoys Urge Tillerson to Keep U.S. anti-Semitism Office Open
Post of special envoy to monitor and combat anti-Semitism will be unstaffed from July 1, unless Trump administration reverses decision to cut position
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/us-news...
The Haaretz article posted doesn't support Gilgul's premise that anti-semitism is widespread in the LGBTQ community. In fact, it testifies to the opposite. The author was shocked at what happened at the event this year.
Gilgul said:
Haaretz begs to differ.
sprout said:
Oh, go make Aliyah already, and find out what some real Israeli's think. My great-uncle in California sends me the same conspiracy-theories-with-the-'left' you keep nuttering about, while my cousins in Israel have asked him to stop emailing them that crap.
well, zoinks has a special ability for pretending that the exceptional is actually mainstream, especially when it concerns his fever dreams of whom the left is. (who the left is?)
South_Mountaineer said:
The Haaretz article posted doesn't support Gilgul's premise that anti-semitism is widespread in the LGBTQ community. In fact, it testifies to the opposite. The author was shocked at what happened at the event this year.
Gilgul said:
Haaretz begs to differ.
sprout said:
Oh, go make Aliyah already, and find out what some real Israeli's think. My great-uncle in California sends me the same conspiracy-theories-with-the-'left' you keep nuttering about, while my cousins in Israel have asked him to stop emailing them that crap.
what's more remarkable is that that gilgul sees anti-semitism around every corner. But racism? Meh - not so much.
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Jews thrown out of LBGT parade in Chicago. There is no more anti-Semitic place than movements of the left.
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