Iconic Rudolph show hasn't aged well

a little cynical about a silly movie that kids enjoy.  

Let it go and just enjoy.


I reject any critical appraisal that fails to account for the objectivist heresies of Yukon Cornelius.


mikescott said:
a little cynical about a silly movie that kids enjoy.  
Let it go and just enjoy.

 Kids get to watch Santa be a total jerk and criticize Rudolph's father for having a child who is not normal. He changes his tune at the end when he realizes that Rudolph can be useful to him.

If you haven't seen the movie in a long time, it's worth taking a look at that one scene in particular.


DaveSchmidt said:
I reject any critical appraisal that fails to account for the objectivist heresies of Yukon Cornelius.

 Like fog being as thick as peanut butter? Instead of the dogmatically accepted pea-soup?


Cars 3 teaches kids that cheating is ok and Toy Story that throwing your competition out the window to be mutilated by a sadist is fine.


move on.


mrincredible said:

 Like fog being as thick as peanut butter? Instead of the dogmatically accepted pea-soup?

An utter failure as a potential mineral baron, Mr. Cornelius succumbs to Marxist sentimentality by returning to the collective rather than exploit the market possibilities of whatever it is that makes Bumbles bounce. (Leaving an opening for that master of the universe, Professor Ned Brainard, and his Flubber.)


mikescott said:
a little cynical about a silly movie that kids enjoy.  
Let it go and just enjoy.

Maybe my kids are just weird (well, they are), but we've always found the general terribleness of Rudolph (the show, not the reindeer himself) and Santa's utter dick-ness to be hilarious. 

In other words,  we can be cynical and enjoy! 


An editor acquaintance of mine did a version where he substitued most of the dialogue and music with well-selected audio from "Blue Velvet".  It's a much more enjoyable version....


weirdbeard said:
An editor acquaintance of mine did a version where he substitued most of the dialogue and music with well-selected audio from "Blue Velvet".  It's a much more enjoyable version....

 reminded me of this:



it certainly hasn’t. We watched it last year and I was pretty astounded at the level of tormenting and bullying not just by other “kids” but by the coach and other adults. 


this has got to be a parody or joke or something, right?  Please?


oh well, now I'm off to get my life-sustaining supplies...cornmeal and gun powder,  hamhocks and guitar strings. 


sportsnut said:
this has got to be a parody or joke or something, right?  Please?

 what is that you are referring to?


Not for nothing, but the song kind of sets the tone.


I'm going to stop dropping anvils on my antagonists from rooftops, no longer making them accordion shaped.


I’m certainly not going to never watch it again nor am I going to suggest that it be removed from tv but really, when you watch it and see that level of bullying and ridicule, it’s horribly cringeworthy.


what's wrong with pointing out when classic films or TV shows haven't aged well? No one is asking to have them banned or tell people not to watch them.  But it's almost impossible now to watch some classics from our youth and not be in disbelief at stuff we enjoyed and laughed at.  Watch "Revenge of the Nerds" or "Sixteen Candles" now.  I defy anyone not to be shaking their heads at how rape was used for comedy in those films.  It's not "PC" to feel this way.  It's just an awareness that norms and values have changed, and with regard to bullying kids, I can't believe anyone thinks we haven't changed for the better.

Or to give an extreme example, try to listen to this Cosby routine from back in the day and not be horrified by it. Talking about not aging well  tongue rolleye 


Truth is all these things that have not aged well actually represent what our country was and still is.  Certainly all values the current President believes in and practices.  And truth is unless we are willing to start treating our educators the way we treat actors and ballplayers, this behavior will continue.    


I don't necessarily take offense at stuff personally but as a person of, ahem, a certain age I find the whole thing interesting in terms of what was fine years ago being not fine now. (Obviously I find it interesting being I am OP here). To those who say "let it go" or "move on", I say "whatever".

Back to the topic -- I recently heard the modern "Baby It's Cold Outside" for the first time. Apparently it was made 2 years ago but I just realized it exists this season. 

https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/02/us/baby-its-cold-outside-cover-trnd/index.html 


Smedley said:
I don't necessarily take offense at stuff personally but as a person of, ahem, a certain age I find the whole thing interesting in terms of what was fine years ago being not fine now. (Obviously I find it interesting being I am OP here). To those who say "let it go" or "move on", I say "whatever".
Back to the topic -- I recently heard the modern "Baby It's Cold Outside" for the first time. Apparently it was made 2 years ago but I just realized it exists this season. 
https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/02/us/baby-its-cold-outside-cover-trnd/index.html 

 But for a large percentage, what was fine is still fine, and probably will be fine for many for some time.  In our area, we might be more sensitive to these issues and certainly less tolerant of bullying, racism, etc, but in a  majority of states it is still fine.  



Rudolph aside, I’m still shocked by beauty pageants and reality shows that make women look stupid and petty. Mentality from the old ring-a-ding days that Trump personifies.


Hey if you want a good cringe, check out the beloved classic "Holiday Inn". Music by Irving Berlin. Starring Bing Crosby and Fred Astaire. Complete with a scene where the two main characters perform in blackface!

Needless to say it's not in the modern stage version.

There's also a scene where a character walks around a dance floor staring at women from behind because that's the only way he'll recognize the woman he's looking for.

This is a jolly yuletide game!


mrincredible said:
Hey if you want a good cringe, check out the beloved classic "Holiday Inn". Music by Irving Berlin. Starring Bing Crosby and Fred Astaire. Complete with a scene where the two main characters perform in blackface!
Needless to say it's not in the modern stage version.
There's also a scene where a character walks around a dance floor staring at women from behind because that's the only way he'll recognize the woman he's looking for.
This is a jolly yuletide game!

Yeah - I watched it recently (for the first time all the way through as far as I can remember) and my eyes pretty much popped out of my head when ol' Bing broke out the burnt cork to put the blackface on himself and the female lead...

....as bad as everything Long Duc Dong-related in "Sixteen Candles"....and whenever Mickey Rooney appears in "Breakfast at Tiffany's"....


Here's one that sends up hillbillies, but nonetheless a classic:



I wonder where the line between “classic” ends though? Is it nostalgic to drive in a car without seatbelts? Should we still smoke because it was so classically 1960s cool? Should we go back to using some of the offensive terms we used because we didn’t know any better? I am glad we evolve and learn to be better, safer, healthier humans. Some of what was okay or cute or whatever just isn’t today.


conandrob240 said:
I wonder where the line between “classic” ends though? Is it nostalgic to drive in a car without seatbelts? Should we still smoke because it was so classically 1960s cool? Should we go back to using some of the offensive terms we used because we didn’t know any better? I am glad we evolve and learn to be better, safer, healthier humans. Some of what was okay or cute or whatever just isn’t today.

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I just watched an episode of MASH, (The House Arrest, if you want to look it up.) where there were a number of jokes about rape, centering around a false accusation of rape against Frank Burns. As much as I still like and admire the show, it was really uncomfortable and a little embarrassing listening to it, and that's how it should be here in 2018.

Bad behavior should be marginalized by society so that it goes away.  People who complain about this being too "PC" are simply people that want to be able to comfortably remain a$$holes.

Well, eff em.



ml1 said:


conandrob240 said:
I wonder where the line between “classic” ends though? Is it nostalgic to drive in a car without seatbelts? Should we still smoke because it was so classically 1960s cool? Should we go back to using some of the offensive terms we used because we didn’t know any better? I am glad we evolve and learn to be better, safer, healthier humans. Some of what was okay or cute or whatever just isn’t today.
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 Some of these are absolutely horrific.


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