Health care bill is ailing
A truly terrible thought!
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/27/republican-health-care-bill-mitch-mcconnell-trump-239998
McConnell warns Trump, GOP on health bill failure
If Obamacare repeal fails in the Senate, the GOP might be forced to compromise with Democrats.
By BURGESS EVERETT , JOSH DAWSEY and JENNIFER HABERKORN
06/27/2017 10:11 AM EDT
Mitch McConnell is delivering an urgent warning to staffers, Republican senators and even the president himself: If Obamacare repeal fails this week, the GOP will lose all leverage and be forced to work with Chuck Schumer.
I understand that conservatives try to minimize the federal government's involvement in the life of its citizens, and philosophically I think that underpins their desire to get rid of the mandate. However, we don't really let people choose not to get health care. Sickness or injury brings uninsured people to ER's, and we are humane enough to treat them, as we should. So that seems to be a significant logical flaw in my mind. On the other hand, good health insurance is likely to significantly reduce the long term health costs of the insured, since they get regular physicals and good medical advice, reducing their exposure to catastrophic illness. So for me, the free market perspective that health insurance should be voluntary does not make sense. Health care is not something you can opt out of. From an actuarial standpoint we should ensure everyone as the least cost most efficient approach as well. The economic arguments aside, as human beings living in a rich country, we should advocate for universal health insurance on humane grounds.
Theoldtimer said:
I understand that conservatives try to minimize the federal government's involvement in the life of its citizens, and philosophically I think that underpins their desire to get rid of the mandate. However, we don't really let people choose not to get health care. Sickness or injury brings uninsured people to ER's, and we are humane enough to treat them, as we should. So that seems to be a significant logical flaw in my mind. On the other hand, good health insurance is likely to significantly reduce the long term health costs of the insured, since they get regular physicals and good medical advice, reducing their exposure to catastrophic illness. So for me, the free market perspective that health insurance should be voluntary does not make sense. Health care is not something you can opt out of. From an actuarial standpoint we should ensure everyone as the least cost most efficient approach as well. The economic arguments aside, as human beings living in a rich country, we should advocate for universal health insurance on humane grounds.
Amen!
Theoldtimer said:
I understand that conservatives try to minimize the federal government's involvement in the life of its citizens, and philosophically I think that underpins their desire to get rid of the mandate. However, we don't really let people choose not to get health care. Sickness or injury brings uninsured people to ER's, and we are humane enough to treat them, as we should. So that seems to be a significant logical flaw in my mind. On the other hand, good health insurance is likely to significantly reduce the long term health costs of the insured, since they get regular physicals and good medical advice, reducing their exposure to catastrophic illness. So for me, the free market perspective that health insurance should be voluntary does not make sense. Health care is not something you can opt out of. From an actuarial standpoint we should ensure everyone as the least cost most efficient approach as well. The economic arguments aside, as human beings living in a rich country, we should advocate for universal health insurance on humane grounds.
Word.
Drivers are required to have auto insurance. People, in general, don't seem to have a problem with this. Why are we more concerned about our f***ing cars than healthcare?
yahooyahoo said:
Drivers are required to have auto insurance. People, in general, don't seem to have a problem with this. Why are we more concerned about our f***ing cars than healthcare?
Of course we should be required to have health insurance. The right wing says that nobody requires you to have a car. Therefore, if you choose to have a car the you have to have insurance.
However, I think the Dems should call their bluff and add a rider to Trumpcare saying that states cannot require people to carry auto insurance. For consistency.
mikescott said:
Dems do not seem to have any say in the matter.
Speeches. Soapbox. Talk about individual liberty. If govt can't require me to have healthcare then they shouldn't be able to require me to have car insurance if I own the car outright. Of course, if it's a leased car or I have a loan on it, then the financer can require it.
I would much rather hear Democrats loudly touting steps to take to improve the ACA, or start towards single payer. I hear nothing from them about this, but you bet I get fundraising stuff from them. Step up and offer alternatives, even if we can't enact it right now. Build a platform that is worth supporting.
FilmCarp said:
I would much rather hear Democrats loudly touting steps to take to improve the ACA, or start towards single payer. I hear nothing from them about this, but you bet I get fundraising stuff from them. Step up and offer alternatives, even if we can't enact it right now. Build a platform that is worth supporting.
Yes. Just fantasizing about calling them on their bluff.
shoshannah said:
FilmCarp said:
I would much rather hear Democrats loudly touting steps to take to improve the ACA, or start towards single payer. I hear nothing from them about this, but you bet I get fundraising stuff from them. Step up and offer alternatives, even if we can't enact it right now. Build a platform that is worth supporting.
Yes. Just fantasizing about calling them on their bluff.
No need to fantasize. Give their people a call at their home offices. Tell them what you're thinking. I've had some good conversations today, with both sides of the aisle, on the phone!
fairplay said:
shoshannah said:
FilmCarp said:
I would much rather hear Democrats loudly touting steps to take to improve the ACA, or start towards single payer. I hear nothing from them about this, but you bet I get fundraising stuff from them. Step up and offer alternatives, even if we can't enact it right now. Build a platform that is worth supporting.
Yes. Just fantasizing about calling them on their bluff.
No need to fantasize. Give their people a call at their home offices. Tell them what you're thinking. I've had some good conversations today, with both sides of the aisle, on the phone!
I do that too.
As I have said many times, at its core all we have been doing with healthcare is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic
https://www.bloomberg.com/news...
With or Without Obamacare, Health-Care Costs Are Battering the Middle Class
The fight in Congress ignores the big problem for most Americans.
So McCain will.vote for "a piece of junk" and a "terrible bill" if some guy gives him a call and he gets to present his ideas in coference.. Definitely NOT comforting.
Gilgul said:
As I have said many times, at its core all we have been doing with healthcare is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic
https://www.bloomberg.com/news...
With or Without Obamacare, Health-Care Costs Are Battering the Middle Class
The fight in Congress ignores the big problem for most Americans.
Its a diversion from the real problems. I wonder if both parties are playing us.
They're not bringing up the issues that will kill us.
The real issue are the baby boomers. 1/3 of them will need nursing home care, 25 million. It doesn't matter if they saved a million. A nursing home will drain that million over six years.
The result is a major transfer of wealth from the children who would have inherited to the health care industry.
If the average stay of nursing home care is 3 years, we're talking total cost about 12 trillion dollars of nursing home care for baby boomers. Where is that money coming from? Right now its Medicaid. But the Republicans are cutting it. Do we throw them onto the streets?
Why aren't they talking about single payer or Medicare? People have been gotten worked up over Obamacare. It would be better if they were as insistent on demanding single payer.
Then there is the obsolete Medicare coverage. Lack of dental and vision and nursing home coverage. Coverage that is now needed due to a longer living aged population. But that's not being brought up.
What about our ridiculous healthcare costs? I just read that to cure Hepatitis C requires three months of pills, 85,000 from here or 1,000 imported from India. You go to the emergency room and you can be personally held responsible for thousands in doctor costs because the emergency room dr is not contracted with your insurer.
Talking about the loss of Obamacare is like talking about a cold to terminal cancer patient.
Medicaid and Nursing Homes:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...
Emergency Room Billings:
If something is not done about this, they will have to legalize euthanasia.
Sen. Mike Enzi. What a giant a@@. If you watch, he is pigging out on the floor of the Senate, not letting anyone else speak. He's atrocious.
16,000,000 are about to start along the path to LOSE their healthcare!!!!
Sounds like the skinny repeal is dead for the moment.
Not sure why - the president had such an inspiring tweet for them 3 hours ago: "Go Republican Senators, Go! Get there after waiting for 7 years. Give America great healthcare!"
jamie said:
Sounds like the skinny repeal is dead for the moment.
Not sure why - the president had such an inspiring tweet for them 3 hours ago: "Go Republican Senators, Go! Get there after waiting for 7 years. Give America great healthcare!"
we don't know....
I think McCain voted no - then Schumer motioned to his side to not respond. They were ready to applaud.
jamie said:
I think McCain voted no - then Schumer motioned to his side to not respond. They were ready to applaud.
There was a happy gasp and some slight applause. Not a celebration, just relief.
... I guess threats and towing the party line got all the other Repubs voting for something many of them hated, and wanted assurances wouldn't become law as-is.
Bunch of fakers who like to play hot-potato with who to blame. (Then we can blame the House for passing something that hurts people!)
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it's going to "sit and stink" over the 4th of July holiday and wait. There weren't even the votes to take it to the Senate floor. They'll either have to resurrect whats left of the ACA or go for single payer!