Bolton OUT !!!!!

Finally, the Orange Menace does something right, although probably for the wrong reasons. He has FIRED John Bolton. Go figure !


so - is the country safer?  War with Iran may be a little less likely with him gone.  Guess we have to see who comes in next.


Any ideas on who the likely candidate might be? 



joanne said:

Any ideas on who the likely candidate might be? 


 somebody who is on Fox News a lot. Trump loves people he's seen on the teevee 


joanne said:

Any ideas on who the likely candidate might be? 


 I understand that you may be looking for a job. cheese


Alas, I don’t have a passport, and I might not pass your heightened border checks. (I can’t remember all my email contacts over the past 5 years)


They might as well pick Jared since he's pretty close to solving the whole Middle East peace thing.


joanne said:

Alas, I don’t have a passport, and I might not pass your heightened border checks. (I can’t remember all my email contacts over the past 5 years)

 You should always have a valid Passport


joanne said:

Any ideas on who the likely candidate might be? 


 No clue other than that it will almost certainly be someone who is even worse. 


Man it's breathtaking how people come and go over there.


STANV said:

joanne said:

Alas, I don’t have a passport, and I might not pass your heightened border checks. (I can’t remember all my email contacts over the past 5 years)

 You should always have a valid Passport

 Every time I start the process to get one, someone in the family dies. It’s got scary. 


Tucker Carlson is reported to have some influence on Trump. Carlson has reactionary social views, but he's an anti-war Libertarian who has criticized John Bolton's warmongering more harshly than anyone in mainstream media (he called Bolton a "bureaucratic tapeworm"). One of Carlson's frequent guests is retired Colonel Douglas MacGregor, an opponent of US wars of regime change. Some have said that MacGregor has been auditioning for Bolton's job on Carlson's show. It's a pipe dream, but he'd be a great choice.


mrincredible said:

Man it's breathtaking how people come and go over there.

 it's like Munchkinland


ml1 said:

mrincredible said:

Man it's breathtaking how people come and go over there.

 it's like Munchkinland

 Or Mnuchinland


Apparently facial hair is part of the reason Bolton’s gone - does that give him grounds for unfair dismissal? cheese

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-11/bolton-and-trump-were-always-an-unlikely-duo/11498802


paulsurovell said:

One of Carlson's frequent guests is retired Colonel Douglas MacGregor, an opponent of US wars of regime change. Some have said that MacGregor has been auditioning for Bolton's job on Carlson's show. It's a pipe dream, but he'd be a great choice.

 When did he convert? 

Frontline interview with Douglas MacGregor:

9/11 comes along, and it seems reasonable to assume that this unfinished business in Iraq is something that will be taken care of. And people should also not lose sight of the fact that you're in the strategic jugular of the Western world, the Persian Gulf. Iraq is sitting on top of some of the finest crude oil in the world. And there has always been and there always will be a concern that these oil resources could fall into the wrong hands and suddenly create enormous surpluses of cash that can be used for the wrong purposes.

So we have a permanent interest there that goes well beyond just what happened to us in 9/11. The other thing is, keep in mind, 9/11 shouldn't have been a dramatic surprise, even though it was, because we'd been at war with the kinds of people that inflicted that damage since the 1970s, when our embassy was seized in Tehran by the first radical Islamic state that emerged in the region, Iran.

So I didn't see any of it as surprising. ... I never heard any other sinister agendas that suggested that this was some sort of secret conspiracy to go after Iraq using 9/11. Iraq was always there. It was always a problem. It was always a sore point because we had failed in '91 -- something that nobody wants to stand up and admit, but we did. I was there. I remember it vividly.

joanne said:

Apparently facial hair is part of the reason Bolton’s gone - does that give him grounds for unfair dismissal?
cheese

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-11/bolton-and-trump-were-always-an-unlikely-duo/11498802

"Well, for a start I don't like your tie."


Klinker said:

 No clue other than that it will almost certainly be someone who is even worse. 

 


This is what happens when you become an "empire." You end with stultifying bureaucracies run by Mandarins.

The National Security Adviser position is not needed. It was created during the Eisenhower administration but then was really just an advisory position. Its been aggrandized where the NSA picks most of the National Security Council with his NSC staff filters what the president gets.

With weak presidents it effectively means that policy, both security and some political is driven by the bias of the adviser.

The country worked pretty well before we had the NSA office. As we saw during WW 2.  


nohero said:

paulsurovell said:

One of Carlson's frequent guests is retired Colonel Douglas MacGregor, an opponent of US wars of regime change. Some have said that MacGregor has been auditioning for Bolton's job on Carlson's show. It's a pipe dream, but he'd be a great choice.

 When did he convert? 

Frontline interview with Douglas MacGregor:

9/11 comes along, and it seems reasonable to assume that this unfinished business in Iraq is something that will be taken care of. And people should also not lose sight of the fact that you're in the strategic jugular of the Western world, the Persian Gulf. Iraq is sitting on top of some of the finest crude oil in the world. And there has always been and there always will be a concern that these oil resources could fall into the wrong hands and suddenly create enormous surpluses of cash that can be used for the wrong purposes.

So we have a permanent interest there that goes well beyond just what happened to us in 9/11. The other thing is, keep in mind, 9/11 shouldn't have been a dramatic surprise, even though it was, because we'd been at war with the kinds of people that inflicted that damage since the 1970s, when our embassy was seized in Tehran by the first radical Islamic state that emerged in the region, Iran.

So I didn't see any of it as surprising. ... I never heard any other sinister agendas that suggested that this was some sort of secret conspiracy to go after Iraq using 9/11. Iraq was always there. It was always a problem. It was always a sore point because we had failed in '91 -- something that nobody wants to stand up and admit, but we did. I was there. I remember it vividly.

 Sometime during the 15 years after this interview took place.

This was MacGregor on Tucker Carlson last night:

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1171583543832715264?s=20



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