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Morganna

Judge strikes down ag gag to allow undercover activists to work in Iowa. As activists began going undercover, gag rules made it difficult to share the information on animal abuse in many industries. Animals raised for food have little protections. Chickens have none.

http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=0014wS4yg0KYHq5bGJoYfOOdGwiVeHCR06kjKEgdKYp1hoyAXYZwd4uOmU8_fY2nKmtRrf4huaA50ymmSDshW08vpzlwJB-RwaHNNXhnLGmuKO0BFHPVgUo7Rpwwmz8SWjr_Q8kYXn-r3nnAmiilO86bnpY8UaJykLQvjgMYEU_fbYVezXOd5Nz9SgyrP6UT829&c=zhaNP2wpHqQ8wGr9VqBUIWxoKXo9zeqTEYpWg0FtlqX7uTRx5MEVKQ==&ch=Gznn2OWrNPqMYT...


Morganna

OK, this is meat that is produced using the cells from a cow. How to have your steak and eat it.

https://www.facebook.com/livekindlyco/videos/2258555427719326/


Klinker

I am curious as to what people think about this article. On a factual level, I question the assertion that anti fur sentiment is driven by racism but there is a lot of other stuff to chew on.

NYT: A Black Legacy, Wrapped Up in Fur

ETA:  Just to be up front, I think fur, in the modern context,  is deplorable.


Morganna
Klinker said:
I am curious as to what people think about this article. On a factual level, I question the assertion that anti fur sentiment is driven by racism but there is a lot of other stuff to chew on.
NYT: A Black Legacy, Wrapped Up in Fur
ETA:  Just to be up front, I think fur, in the modern context,  is deplorable.

 I'm getting ready to read this but I have a hunch about what it will say. I believe that I have heard this argument just once. Let's see.

OK, I guessed it and I did hear it for the first time from a teacher that I worked with. She claimed it was an opinion she heard from her friend.

I would trace the objection to fur to the video shown on TV which captured the image of a fox caught in a steel leg hold trap.

Fur was a symbol of success in all communities, unfortunately. Women of all races sought to imitate the film stars they saw in Hollywood photo shoots. The article suggests that a particular racial group of women like to "look nice." I believe that no racial group has a monopoly on vanity. And like the women described, most women are aware that they may not have a beautiful home, or a luxurious car, but a fur coat might be achievable and give them the air of success that they aspire to when they go out in public. The article suggests that the coat was an investment. Nonsense. It loses its value faster than a car when you drive it off the lot. Investing in gold or a diamond makes more sense. What the coat has is impact.  Enter a restaurant wearing a perfect diamond and it may go unnoticed. Enter with the fur and it can be seen at a distance.

But, while all women were trying to impress, the lobby against the steel leg hold trap surfaced. I was moved to volunteer at Cleveland Amory's office when he began The Fund for Animals. Someone actually sent a box of hacked off paws to the office.

When I moved to South Orange the first time, I took one of the traps to a mall to get signatures. NJ I believe was the first state to ban the trap.

Then I started reading the literature on mink farms and other "ranched" fur animals and all of this was before PETA got involved.

So it was a slow moving educational process.  Women from the projects in Queens were also clinging to this ugly status symbol. I don't think the move towards compassion was racially motivated.

Might be interesting to read Cleveland Amory's book, Mankind? 


Morganna

Good news, but if you do not wish to wait for 2023 you can easily find cruelty free products, (products not tested on animals) by looking at the back of your shampoo bottle or any cosmetic package for the logo or claim not tested on animals. Some samples below.

Here is the article on Proctor & Gamble's new promise. Worth noting that China continues to demand such testing so we will see if the company stops selling there.

https://blog.humanesociety.org/2019/02/procter-gamble-maker-of-pantene-and-herbal-essences-joins-fight-to-end-animal-testing-for-cosmetics.html


Morganna

Here's an updated list of products not tested on animals. Many beauty and household products sold at Trader Joe's, Costco, Shoprite, Whole Foods etc. are cruelty free, just check the labels.

https://www.crueltyfreekitty.com/list-of-cruelty-free-brands/



Klinker
Morganna said:
Iceland stubbornly clings to whaling.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iceland-will-allow-more-than-2000-whales-to-be-killed-within-next-five-years/ar-BBTXBWg?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=UE09DHP

 I often wonder about this.  Is there really a market for whale products?  Are they eating all the whales?  What the hell???


Klinker

I've always fantasized about winning one of those billion dollar lotto jack pots and using the payout to buy a surplus Soviet destroyer or attack sub for Sea Shepherd.

Of course, you can't lose if you don't play so my payout may be some time coming.....


Morganna
Klinker said:
I've always fantasized about winning one of those billion dollar lotto jack pots and using the payout to buy a surplus Soviet destroyer or attack sub for Sea Shepherd.
Of course, you can't lose if you don't play so my payout may be some time coming.....

 LOL I never play either but have a long list of wants.

There was a series on cable that followed the adventures of the Sea Shepherd. My neighbors get to see assorted Sea Shepherd jackets when I put out the garbage. Animal rights fashionista.

I did get to meet some of Jacque Cousteau's crew when I designed undersea inspired costumes for a disco fashion show. I was a jellyfish. I had mermaids, sea horses, etc and poetry read with sounds of the humpback whales in the background. They offered to take me on a local dive. But then I was quite used to local dives.


Morganna

Wish this would open in SOMA.looks gorgeous and sugary.

https://www.vegantreats.com/


Morganna

Been looking at the White Coat Waste Project for a couple of years as it pops up in my newsfeed. Wanted to do a little research before posting and found an article from 2014.

I noticed that they were sharing bills that were bi-partisan and appeared to be aimed at limiting animal experimentation or were anti-vivisection. The man who conceived of this project is a Republican strategist with a life experience that led him to this interesting approach to a difficult issue. See what you think.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/07/white-coat-waste_n_5942786.html


joanne
Morganna said:
Wish this would open in SOMA.looks gorgeous and sugary.
https://www.vegantreats.com/

 cheese stop tempting me! All those ingredients I can’t eat! (Even in ‘traditional’ recipes, I couldn’t eat those desserts)

There’s been a lot of detailed international reporting in recent months on the carbon footprints for daily basic foods (including ingredients, and raw foods) looking at vegan, omnivore and locavore eating. It’s very interesting to read -the latest articles I’ve read (in last week’s New Scientist with a similar article in the Guardian) looked at a wide range of cheeses and cheese-like vegan foods. By the time initial ingredient processing, transport and then reprocessing into the actual foodstuff is calculated, a lot of vegan substitutes for flesh-foods are as carbon expensive or more as the alternatives. Really started me thinking about our reliance on certain types of ingredients in our menu planning. 

Then I read about the World’s Best Restaurant this year: a tiny beachside place in Africa (I think it’s Africa), seats 20 people at a time, and serves a daily-harvested locavore menu sourced from nearby dunes by the staff. Wow. I’ll find the link, I don’t think it’s posted here. 

ETA: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-47289128 


Morganna
joanne said:


Morganna said:
Wish this would open in SOMA.looks gorgeous and sugary.
https://www.vegantreats.com/
 cheese stop tempting me! All those ingredients I can’t eat! (Even in ‘traditional’ recipes, I couldn’t eat those desserts)
There’s been a lot of detailed international reporting in recent months on the carbon footprints for daily basic foods (including ingredients, and raw foods) looking at vegan, omnivore and locavore eating. It’s very interesting to read -the latest articles I’ve read (in last week’s New Scientist with a similar article in the Guardian) looked at a wide range of cheeses and cheese-like vegan foods. By the time initial ingredient processing, transport and then reprocessing into the actual foodstuff is calculated, a lot of vegan substitutes for flesh-foods are as carbon expensive or more as the alternatives. Really started me thinking about our reliance on certain types of ingredients in our menu planning. 
Then I read about the World’s Best Restaurant this year: a tiny beachside place in Africa (I think it’s Africa), seats 20 people at a time, and serves a daily-harvested locavore menu sourced from nearby dunes by the staff. Wow. I’ll find the link, I don’t think it’s posted here. 
ETA: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-47289128 

My first motivation is compassion, followed by concerns for the environment and then if I get some health benefits its a win, win, win.

I put health concerns third, so I do consume sweets. I'm using Agave as a sweetener which has a low glycemic index as if I really knew what that meant.

Can't resist real pasta so I've failed at replacing white flour with whole wheat or brown rice pasta.  I feel like a martyr because I've given up cheese. But if I ever meet a cow in SOMA, I'll be able to look her in the face.

What do you think of this new idea of growing meat in labs?  I can't remember what meat tastes like anyway so I doubt I would care to try it.




joanne

I wasn’t passing judgement, please don’t think that! The carbon footprint discussion added to ethical treatment is becoming compelling here, where we’re living in a summer ravaged by too little water, very higher temperatures, and furious winds (even if they’re not fuelling bushfires). I doubt we’ll have a calm winter/cool season. Even Birdsville, having had no rain for ages, is currently flooded (literally), being downstream of the massive floods that killed 500,000 cattle recently.

I think animal protein eaters are going to have to turn to lab-grown eventually. I suspect even a lot of our plant-based foods will also be replicated by labs. What I’m puzzled by is where the basic source materials for all those chemicals will come from? Plastic?? I mean, an atom is an atom...

(The winds buffeting our house today, for the fourth day straight as ex-tropical cyclone Oma takes her time leaving us, are 60kph. That’s as fast as we can drive our cars on city roads. The winds pretty much haven’t stopped since Wednesday night)


Morganna

Totally understand @joanne. Its a tough one. Same thing with fabric. A friend suggested that some fabrics are not as good for the environment as cotton. I skip leather for obvious reasons but I heard that the results of the tanning industry are bad environmentally as well.

I went to a presentation about MOGO (Most good) Living from the Institute of Humane Education. Here's Zoe Weil's piece on the price of a hamburger. She has another on the production of the t-shirt. I was using humane education in many of my lesson plans.

http://www.onegreenplanet.org/lifestyle/making-mogo-choices-the-true-price-of-a-cheeseburger/

http://www.onegreenplanet.org/lifestyle/making-mogo-most-good-choices-the-true-price-of-a-t-shirt/



joanne

Timely. I've just read a piece on poverty wages for Australia's largest (and cheaper) fashion retailers; disgraceful that the actual people producing the garments barely earn A$0.51 an hour (I think it was an hour). 

Sorry for the thread-drift, off animal rights. Still re ethics but not it's not the same. 


Steven

My dog passed away this weekend.  Any suggestions on where I could donate her unopened  food and pill pockets?


Elle Cee

My condolences on your loss.  Try People for Animals.  St. Hubert's might also be interested.  


Morganna
GoSlugs said:
My dog passed away this weekend.  Any suggestions on where I could donate her unopened  food and pill pockets?

 So sorry for the loss of your dog. NJ Strays just opened in Maplewood and they are setting up a food pantry for pets who are with families in need. I went to a presentation. They are not a rescue. 2202 Milburn Ave.


If you prefer to give to a shelter,. I help a friend at Petsmart in Milburn with adoption events for AHS. I can check and see if they take donations. I think those are the most convenient. But tell me if you are out of the SOMA area.


Morganna

An 8 minute animated short on a pitbull and a feral cat. Loved it.


joanne

GoSlugs, so sad to read your news. Sending special hugs from both of us, even though he rarely writes these days.


Morganna

Puppy Mills in PA.


Morganna

Hard hitting Bill Maher video for PETA on Canada Goose brand.



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