DUMP TRUMP (previously 2020 candidates)
Also, Tom Steyer is out, which I think is pretty good news:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/09/us/politics/tom-steyer-trump-2020.html
From what I've been reading so far, Tulsi is at the bottom of my list of candidates.
drummerboy said:
From what I've been reading so far, Tulsi is at the bottom of my list of candidates.
Fell so far behind on this thread. Catching up I saw her name mentioned and just caught her announcing. I've been a fan of Elizabeth Warren, Sherrod Brown, Kamala Harris, and Cory Booker for a couple of years but keeping an open mind. I thought Warren had the best chance as a female candidate and perhaps Sherrod Brown could be an option for those who like Biden but wanted someone a little younger. I had liked Joaquin Castro but was less familiar with Julian. Still shopping.
eh. Too many people throwing their hats in and no one yet with enough charisma to actually win. One of the saddest historical reflectionsq of our country will be the tossing aside of HRC for the monster we have now.
Tulsi Gabbard.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/13/politics/kfile-tulsi-gabbard-lgbt/index.html
October 20th, 2000
HONOLULU-- "During the campaign to prevent the legalization of homosexual marriage, homosexual extremists waged a war of deception and hatred against those who opposed them. Now homosexual activists are focusing a campaign of hate against my wife, Board of Education candidate Carol Gabbard and other pro-family organizations, individuals and churches," said Mike Gabbard.
"This war of deception and hatred against my mom is being waged by homosexual activists because they know, that if elected, she will not allow them to force their values down the throats of the children in our schools," said Gabbard's daughter, Tulasi.
Mike concluded, "The people of Hawaii, the aloha state, should reject the homosexual activists campaign of hate. We need to be strong and stand up for what is best for our families, our children and future generations."
Representatives from the following organizations and churches attended the conference: Aloha Pregnancy Care and Counseling Center, Christian Coalition, Family Resource Center, Christian Voice, Hawaii Catholic Conference, American Constitution Committee, Grace in Action Ministries, and Central Samoan Assembly of God.
We Need Your Help!
Homosexual activists have targeted Carol Gabbard's Board Of Education race with a hateful campaign. Unfortunately many reports in the liberal media are distorting the truth and Carol needs your help to get her message out. She needs you to get out and vote on November 7. She needs you to help volunteer with her campaign by putting up yard signs, sign waving, etc. and she needs your financial contributions so she can purchase the advertising she needs to deliver her message to the voters. She can be reached at 523-0479.
http://www.atmv.org:80/news/hatecampaign.html
To Tulsi's credit, she has renounced her earlier positions on gay marriage. What her whacko father does shouldn't be counted against her. And gay marriage is a done deal now anyway, so as long as she doesn't campaign for repeal, it's a non-issue.
The story is from 2000 - going back that far to find something "damning" isn't very convincing..
I've been reading more about her, and she doesn't seem as bad as some are making her out to be. She appears to have evolved her positions from what were more conservative ones.
Not that there's any reason yet for me to choose her over someone else.
Her foray into Syria seems to be somewhat wrongheaded, but even there it's not so clear to me.
And here is a statement on her position on abortion and marriage.
https://www.votetulsi.com/updates/2011-12/reflections-role-government-our-personal-lives
nan said:
And here is a statement on her position on abortion and marriage.
https://www.votetulsi.com/updates/2011-12/reflections-role-government-our-personal-lives
How convenient !
Thanks nan, glad to see an update. In 2000 (cnn info above, about her parents, right?) she was 19, and i was hoping she'd changed her views since then. Still no opinion about her candidacy, but the newer information at least leaves the door open.
nan said:
And here is a statement on her position on abortion and marriage.
https://www.votetulsi.com/updates/2011-12/reflections-role-government-our-personal-lives
Why does she put "marriage" in quotes? She really did get around the fact that she doesn't believe in gay marriage.
This is her belief - bottom line:
Marriage should be handled and defined by individuals, their conscience, and their respective churches, mosques, temples, synagogues, etc. according to the values and traditions of the various communities which make up the mosaic of our aloha state and country.
For gay people - I think she's most comfortable with "civil union". It's going to be a tough issue for her.
jamie said:
nan said:Why does she put "marriage" in quotes? She really did get around the fact that she doesn't believe in gay marriage.
And here is a statement on her position on abortion and marriage.
https://www.votetulsi.com/updates/2011-12/reflections-role-government-our-personal-lives
This is her belief - bottom line:
Marriage should be handled and defined by individuals, their conscience, and their respective churches, mosques, temples, synagogues, etc. according to the values and traditions of the various communities which make up the mosaic of our aloha state and country.For gay people - I think she's most comfortable with "civil union". It's going to be a tough issue for her.
It seems like she gets very "regretful" when she decides to run for a federal-office.
jamie said:
nan said:Why does she put "marriage" in quotes? She really did get around the fact that she doesn't believe in gay marriage.
And here is a statement on her position on abortion and marriage.
https://www.votetulsi.com/updates/2011-12/reflections-role-government-our-personal-lives
This is her belief - bottom line:
Marriage should be handled and defined by individuals, their conscience, and their respective churches, mosques, temples, synagogues, etc. according to the values and traditions of the various communities which make up the mosaic of our aloha state and country.For gay people - I think she's most comfortable with "civil union". It's going to be a tough issue for her.
Not so much. She's pretty clear on civil unions. No fudging.
To expand on the above, I strongly disagree with a two-tiered government policy of "marriage" and "civil unions". As long as government continues to have two different classifications, then government officials are acting as moral arbiters declaring one relationship superior to another; one first-class, the other second-class. This is unacceptable and discriminatory on its face.
I think she's unfairly being smeared for past positions that she clearly no longer holds.
Based on what's been said - I still don't think she believes in gay marriage.
Based on her conscience and her church, marriage is between a man and a woman.
She's a strong supporter of LGBT rights and has co-sponsored the marriage equality act, but I believe she took this stance - after gay marriage was the law of the land. This is good, at least once it was law, she stood up for equality.
It's just tough to come back from statements like this no matter how long ago it was: “To try to act as if there is a difference between ‘civil unions’ and same-sex marriage is dishonest, cowardly and extremely disrespectful to the people of Hawaii,” she said. “As Democrats, we should be representing the views of the people, not a small number of homosexual extremists.”
I will accept that her recent votes are a positive and perhaps she sees things differently now.
And she did apologize for working with a group that promoted conversion therapy:
You know she was practically a kid when she said some of that stuff, right? The quote you have regarding civil unions was when she was 22.
Besides, who cares what her personal beliefs are, as long it's translated to a correct policy? Gov. Mario Cuomo was famously personally against abortion, but always supported pro-choice positions.
drummerboy said:
Besides, who cares what her personal beliefs are, as long it's translated to a correct policy? Gov. Mario Cuomo was famously personally against abortion, but always supported pro-choice positions.
Exactly. In a nation of 300 millions, you need to think like this on some issues.
Gillibrand on Rachel tonight. She didn't change my mind yet. Wonder if she'll show up on Morning Joe.
drummerboy said:
Kamala Harris picks some tunes
https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1085009675744145408
She might be my favorite but still not ready to make a commitment. Liked her questioning of Barr yesterday. Then again, I always love to watch her grilling someone.
The last line of this article sums it up.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-tulsi-gabbard-lgbtq-rights_us_5c3e250ce4b0922a21d93a93
"We can do better."
Tulsi Gabbard has no chance because she is truly anti-war. The Democratic establishment will go after her every chance they get.
yahooyahoo said:
The last line of this article sums it up.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-tulsi-gabbard-lgbtq-rights_us_5c3e250ce4b0922a21d93a93
"We can do better."
No this is the line that sums it up as a Huff Post (establishment) stupid smear piece:
All this is to say, Gabbard doesn’t appear to have a solid constituency anywhere within the national Democratic Party, thus making her bid for the nomination dead on arrival.
Very clear the establishment don't like her because she is a Progressive. They jump around on all kinds of issues and try to lump her in with every villain they can name. It's valid to question if someone really supports the policies they claim to support, and it is fair to ask Gabbard about remarks she has made, but this article is just totally out to get her.
Here is a much fairer evaluation of Tulsi Gabbard (and it's mostly not positive):
terp said:
Tulsi Gabbard has no chance because she is truly anti-war. The Democratic establishment will go after her every chance they get.
Well I am glad you are keeping an open mind. What are your thoughts on Seth Rich and Area 51?
basil said:
terp said:Well I am glad you are keeping an open mind. What are your thoughts on Seth Rich and Area 51?
Tulsi Gabbard has no chance because she is truly anti-war. The Democratic establishment will go after her every chance they get.
He's 100% right about that and the article discussed above me is just one example. This article below this gives some alarming news about what used to be the Anti-War party.
New Poll: US Military Occupations Supported By Far More Democrats Than Republicans
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Julian Castro has made if official.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/12/politics/julian-castro-presidential-announcement/index.html
So we have Warren, Gabbard, and Castro as the big names who have declared. It doesn't look like Harris has filed yet but few people who bet against that happening.
Here's a link to the current list of declared candidates:
https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_candidates,_2020