19 Dead

author

When do we end this?  How many more innocents must die?  I used to think we were  better than this

I pointed out once, when I was on the other side how dangerous it was to have three people riding on a motor scooter

He said........."We don't have mass shootings"  I had no answer and this was years ago


conandrob240

the details of this are horrifying. A high school friend of mine's kids go to this school. He has found his son but he is still searching for his 15 year old daughter. 

When will we be ready to stop this? These are children. Children who know the drill on how to escape a shooter. Think about that. I think we can do better than preparing them to go through this. smh


peaceinourtime

We need to control guns, but we also need to continue identifying children with emotional stresses as early as possible, and continue to advocate and provide clinical psychological, and educational  support to them and to their families as early as possible. If we don't, we will have these mass murders forever.


apple44

Which news outlets have been reporting 19 dead? I've been seeing 17 and (obviously) hope the number isn't climbing.


conandrob240

I see 17 on the major news outlets.


Yes, gun control, better mental health screening. The only “solution” can’t be simply teaching kids how to survive. And this one broke some of the rules, too. The fire alarm was used to get the kids (the poor kids, just following the rules) out in the open.


peaceinourtime

I wonder how many New Jersey schools with child study teams have had mass shootings?


conandrob240

what does that mean? Child study teams?


peaceinourtime


conandrob240 said:

what does that mean? Child study teams?

Ah, they are three people, or more. They are a school psychologist, a Learning Disabilities teacher-consultant, and a school social worker. They work with teacher, parents, administrators and therapists to identify and craft educational,social and psychological strategies and interventions to help students of all ages who are having difficulties in school. South Orange-Maplewood have a strong team.


conandrob240

Got it. Thanks.


A mutual friend just confirmed that our high school pal's daughter was killed there today. Heartbroken for her, her father and all the victims of this senseless violence.


cubby


peaceinourtime said:

I wonder how many New Jersey schools with child study teams have had mass shootings?

All districts have Child Study Teams. Its state law.  In my experience they are pretty bogged down with evaluations, meetings, etc. My district has actually just opened a Drop In Center for high school students who need to talk. Next year, we will have on in our middle school This is what more districts need to provide. 


peaceinourtime


conandrob240 said:

Got it. Thanks.


A mutual friend just confirmed that our high school pal's daughter was killed there today. Heartbroken for her, her father and all the victims of this senseless violence.

Oh no. So sorry! Really...


peaceinourtime


cubby said:



peaceinourtime said:

I wonder how many New Jersey schools with child study teams have had mass shootings?

All districts have Child Study Teams. Its state law.  In my experience they are pretty bogged down with evaluations, meetings, etc. My district has actually just opened a Drop In Center for high school students who need to talk. Next year, we will have on in our middle school This is what more districts need to provide. 

Yes, it is state law. Seems like there may be a good reason for it, not that it's a panacea

 


dave

Need to develop a robot that can detect when a gun is moving by GPS.   If destination is not a shooting range or hunting area, have police or robot intercept it.


author


apple44 said:

Which news outlets have been reporting 19 dead? I've been seeing 17 and (obviously) hope the number isn't climbing.

Reported the figure from an early news bulletin. Can't recall which one now. Happy to be wrong but am

out of words over this type of event


Morganna

I'm convinced it will require massive protests by women and children. I have always felt women made the difference in the anti Vietnam war movement. It will be hard for the predominately male gun lobby and their politicians to face down the wrath of mothers who are afraid to send their children to school.

I believe that there are plenty of great male pols who will stand up against the NRA. I loved the "Give us a vote" sit in staged last year by John Lewis. But the numbers are not big enough. If women are angry enough to organize nation wide protests they can push stronger gun legislation through. A march the size of the Women's March, would do the trick. But it will have to be big and sustained as there is a hell of a lot of money on the line.



author


Morganna said:

I'm convinced it will require massive protests by women and children. I have always felt women made the difference in the anti Vietnam war movement. It will be hard for the predominately male gun lobby and their politicians to face down the wrath of mothers who are afraid to send their children to school.

I believe that there are plenty of great male pols who will stand up against the NRA. I loved the "Give us a vote" sit in staged last year by John Lewis. But the numbers are not big enough. If women are angry enough to organize nation wide protests they can push stronger gun legislation through. A march the size of the Women's March, would do the trick. But it will have to be big and sustained as there is a hell of a lot of money on the line.

  

I have always felt that it was Walter Cronkite who declared the Vietnam Conflict unwinnable after the Tet

Offensive...........and the bodies of the sons of the Middle Class coming home in body bags when their

student deferments were not automatic.  But I will thank any and all who did what they could ranging

from signing petitions to filling the jails as an act of Civil Disobedience

Now we face a different situation  with an astounding amount of cash and an almost Neanderthal mindset

with which to contend.


"But if two and two and fifty make a million,  we will see that day come round"   Courage




apple44

People will just shoot the robots

dave said:

Need to develop a robot that can detect when a gun is moving by GPS.   If destination is not a shooting range or hunting area, have police or robot intercept it.



apple44

I think one of many problems is that the phrase "gun control" is too much of a lightning rod for opponents, just like "Obamacare" is. (As we know, people have said they like the ACA, but are against Obamacare.)

We need something like "keep military weapons in the military" in three or four syllables.

"Let's arm the military, not some nut job" also is too long.


marksierra

apple44
said:

I think one of many problems is that the phrase "gun control" is too much of a lightning rod for opponents, just like "Obamacare" is. (As we know, people have said they like the ACA, but are against Obamacare.)

We need something like "keep military weapons in the military" in three or four syllables.

"Let's arm the military, not some nut job" also is too long.

How about 'No more guns' ?

Or 'Bare arms'?


Morganna


author said:



Morganna said:

I'm convinced it will require massive protests by women and children. I have always felt women made the difference in the anti Vietnam war movement. It will be hard for the predominately male gun lobby and their politicians to face down the wrath of mothers who are afraid to send their children to school.

I believe that there are plenty of great male pols who will stand up against the NRA. I loved the "Give us a vote" sit in staged last year by John Lewis. But the numbers are not big enough. If women are angry enough to organize nation wide protests they can push stronger gun legislation through. A march the size of the Women's March, would do the trick. But it will have to be big and sustained as there is a hell of a lot of money on the line.

  


I have always felt that it was Walter Cronkite who declared the Vietnam Conflict unwinnable after the Tet

Offensive...........and the bodies of the sons of the Middle Class coming home in body bags when their

student deferments were not automatic.  But I will thank any and all who did what they could ranging

from signing petitions to filling the jails as an act of Civil Disobedience

Now we face a different situation  with an astounding amount of cash and an almost Neanderthal mindset

with which to contend.




"But if two and two and fifty make a million,  we will see that day come round"   Courage

Just found this

https://www.facebook.com/events/1968875000044273/?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A%22106%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D


LOST

How about

"Right to Life"


author


Morganna said:



author said:



Morganna said:

I'm convinced it will require massive protests by women and children. I have always felt women made the difference in the anti Vietnam war movement. It will be hard for the predominately male gun lobby and their politicians to face down the wrath of mothers who are afraid to send their children to school.

I believe that there are plenty of great male pols who will stand up against the NRA. I loved the "Give us a vote" sit in staged last year by John Lewis. But the numbers are not big enough. If women are angry enough to organize nation wide protests they can push stronger gun legislation through. A march the size of the Women's March, would do the trick. But it will have to be big and sustained as there is a hell of a lot of money on the line.

  


I have always felt that it was Walter Cronkite who declared the Vietnam Conflict unwinnable after the Tet

Offensive...........and the bodies of the sons of the Middle Class coming home in body bags when their

student deferments were not automatic.  But I will thank any and all who did what they could ranging

from signing petitions to filling the jails as an act of Civil Disobedience

Now we face a different situation  with an astounding amount of cash and an almost Neanderthal mindset

with which to contend.




"But if two and two and fifty make a million,  we will see that day come round"   Courage

Just found this

https://www.facebook.com/events/1968875000044273/?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A%22106%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D

Who does not like Moms?  And yes you will get no quarrel from me that the moms of the country  were  a

major factor in ending the conflict.

When I had my own private confrontation with the military and faced five years incarceration ,  my mom said as I was leaving the house that day......"I really have no idea what you and your friends are up to.........

but know that what ever happens to you...no matter how long you are away,  you will always have a home

to return to"   The military never had a chance


Morganna


author said:



Morganna said:



author said:



Morganna said:

I'm convinced it will require massive protests by women and children. I have always felt women made the difference in the anti Vietnam war movement. It will be hard for the predominately male gun lobby and their politicians to face down the wrath of mothers who are afraid to send their children to school.

I believe that there are plenty of great male pols who will stand up against the NRA. I loved the "Give us a vote" sit in staged last year by John Lewis. But the numbers are not big enough. If women are angry enough to organize nation wide protests they can push stronger gun legislation through. A march the size of the Women's March, would do the trick. But it will have to be big and sustained as there is a hell of a lot of money on the line.

  


I have always felt that it was Walter Cronkite who declared the Vietnam Conflict unwinnable after the Tet

Offensive...........and the bodies of the sons of the Middle Class coming home in body bags when their

student deferments were not automatic.  But I will thank any and all who did what they could ranging

from signing petitions to filling the jails as an act of Civil Disobedience

Now we face a different situation  with an astounding amount of cash and an almost Neanderthal mindset

with which to contend.




"But if two and two and fifty make a million,  we will see that day come round"   Courage

Just found this

https://www.facebook.com/events/1968875000044273/?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A%22106%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D

Who does not like Moms?  And yes you will get no quarrel from me that the moms of the country  were  a


major factor in ending the conflict.

When I had my own private confrontation with the military and faced five years incarceration ,  my mom said as I was leaving the house that day......"I really have no idea what you and your friends are up to.........

but know that what ever happens to you...no matter how long you are away,  you will always have a home

to return to"   The military never had a chance

You had a wonderful mother.

What do you think of the Brooklyn protest to be held again in June? If it can take off in D.C. it could catch on nationally.

My mother gave me a great deal of political and social latitude. Sometimes reluctantly.


author


Morganna said:



author said:



Morganna said:



author said:



Morganna said:

I'm convinced it will require massive protests by women and children. I have always felt women made the difference in the anti Vietnam war movement. It will be hard for the predominately male gun lobby and their politicians to face down the wrath of mothers who are afraid to send their children to school.

I believe that there are plenty of great male pols who will stand up against the NRA. I loved the "Give us a vote" sit in staged last year by John Lewis. But the numbers are not big enough. If women are angry enough to organize nation wide protests they can push stronger gun legislation through. A march the size of the Women's March, would do the trick. But it will have to be big and sustained as there is a hell of a lot of money on the line.

  


I have always felt that it was Walter Cronkite who declared the Vietnam Conflict unwinnable after the Tet

Offensive...........and the bodies of the sons of the Middle Class coming home in body bags when their

student deferments were not automatic.  But I will thank any and all who did what they could ranging

from signing petitions to filling the jails as an act of Civil Disobedience

Now we face a different situation  with an astounding amount of cash and an almost Neanderthal mindset

with which to contend.




"But if two and two and fifty make a million,  we will see that day come round"   Courage

Just found this

https://www.facebook.com/events/1968875000044273/?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A%22106%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D

Who does not like Moms?  And yes you will get no quarrel from me that the moms of the country  were  a


major factor in ending the conflict.

When I had my own private confrontation with the military and faced five years incarceration ,  my mom said as I was leaving the house that day......"I really have no idea what you and your friends are up to.........

but know that what ever happens to you...no matter how long you are away,  you will always have a home

to return to"   The military never had a chance

You had a wonderful mother.ea

What do you think of the Brooklyn protest to be held again in June? If it can take off in D.C. it could catch on nationally.

My mother gave me a great deal of political and social latitude. Sometimes reluctantly.

My mom kept her politics to herself.  But I was raised with the philosophy,  "Always be sure you are right,

then go ahead."   This in turn has gotten me into no end of trouble.  But I can look myself in the mirror

and not turn away

The Brooklyn Protest............any and all expression of free speech is encouraged by this lonesome traveler

Civil Disobedience is no longer in vogue............but if it was good enough for Gandhi, Thoreau

and Dr King,  it is good enough for me



mjc

"But if two and two and fifty make a million,  we will see that day come round"

author, I had not seen this before, though a fan of P Seeger - thanks!


conandrob240

We won’t gain any ground at this at all if we try this path. Not “no more guns”.



marksierra said:



apple44
said:

I think one of many problems is that the phrase "gun control" is too much of a lightning rod for opponents, just like "Obamacare" is. (As we know, people have said they like the ACA, but are against Obamacare.)

We need something like "keep military weapons in the military" in three or four syllables.

"Let's arm the military, not some nut job" also is too long.

How about 'No more guns' ?

Or 'Bare arms'?



author


conandrob240 said:

We won’t gain any ground at this at all if we try this path. Not “no more guns”.






marksierra said:



apple44
said:

I think one of many problems is that the phrase "gun control" is too much of a lightning rod for opponents, just like "Obamacare" is. (As we know, people have said they like the ACA, but are against Obamacare.)

We need something like "keep military weapons in the military" in three or four syllables.

"Let's arm the military, not some nut job" also is too long.

How about 'No more guns' ?

Or 'Bare arms'?

Australia,  Japan and England were successful in their gun control efforts.  They have murder rates that

are practically non existent

We owe it to the living and the dead to rededicate ourselves to the task

A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step

Time to take that step

Time to honor the many,  many that will never come home again



conandrob240

you understand that if that’s the call we take up, that we’ll lose, right? I’d love for it to be that but it’s not going to happen.


We shoot for gun control laws - sensible ones like over 21, no history of mental illness and no assault rifles. Right now. Today. And then we chip away after that.


Formerlyjerseyjack

I guess start off by researching and publishing the N.R.A. report card of N.J. Congressmen. Then focus on those that have the highest N.R.A. rating.

N.R.A. campaign contributions need to then be referred to as blood money.




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