"Quote the Raven, never more"

Donald Trump will not run for reelection in 2020.   The results of the mid term election,   which was a plebiscite on his leadership,  really shook him up.   He is vulnerable to any middle of the road Democrat and he has no response.  Piling on the public appearances,  red attire and all did not bring out the response he expected.

His excuses for his failures are wearing thin and expect two more years of the same.

None of this factors in Mueller's investigation.  That is the whip creme on this desert.


The Raven rang, he said it's "quoth" and that Trump will run.


in my wildest dreams, he decides that the aggravation and frustration of trying to accomplish anything with an opposition party in control of one of the chambers of Congress is too much. He chooses to resign, and goes back to railing against Democrats and possibly starting his own News Channel.

I could also see him choosing not to run again in 2020, claiming that he had the most successful invest presidency in history and that's why he didn't need to continue on. I do agree that if the Democrats can field a strong candidate he won't have an easy reelection.

The darker possibility is that he now has an enemy to fight, and rile up his base against. Especially if Nancy Pelosi is reelected as Speaker of the House*. She is a perfect target for his vitriol. I think he would have no reservations about using the kind of divisive rhetoric that got him elected in the first place. He won by motivating a bunch of white nationalists, xenophobe and misogynists to get out and vote for him, while remaining barely palatable for mainstream Republicans to vote for. To maintain that formula he needs an enemy, and now he has one.


*I am not saying she should not be.


ridski said:
The Raven rang, he said it's "quoth"...

 The Organization Of Pedantic Snarky English Expatriates (OOPSEE) rang. You've been reelected as chairman.

I think you are likely correct though. I think he will run again, and I think the Democrats need to put up one hell of a fight to make sure that he doesn't get reelected.


I don’t think so. Only way this happens if he either creates himself some big win (wall? North Korea?) and says he did his job so wonderfully he’s moving on, or he uses his business interests as an excuse - to get back to.  

As long is his ego is filled by yes-men, his own version of wins, Fox News ;-), and the feeling of power - I doubt he’ll leave voluntarily.


Trump knows he will get the GOP nomination, so he won't decide not to run based on not getting nominated.

He's probably convinced that once nominated he can lie his way into a second term.  He's counting on all the people who believe his garbage (it seems that there are still people who buy his "Hillary Colluded Not Trump" nonsense even today).

Post edited to add -- And I agree that he needs to point to some big win (real or imagined) because he won't just quit.  Quitting is for losers, as he probably would tell us.


ridski said:
The Raven rang, he said it's "quoth" and that Trump will run.

 and he said nevermore was one word.


Given the past week, I think it's possible he'll crack and quit in protest. From what I read, he's been sulking all week.

And I know I'm in for it next time I have a typo. I suck. Retired English teacher.


I think Mika (Morning Joe) gets it right. Ignorance was bliss until the dust settled and someone told him the possibilities.


“I don’t think the president completely understood what losing the House meant,” Brzezinski said. “I think he thought, well, the Senate is bigger … or more higher level. I don’t think he understood that he actually has to hand over his tax returns if compelled, that he has to answer.”

“He has nowhere else to go,” she added. “I don’t think he fully understood that. It’s happening now, he’s getting it.”


Another take:


He’s been pouting ever since his return. He’s holed up in the White House furiously posting hysterical tweets about stopping the vote count in Florida and making irresponsible declarations about Democratic fraud and cheating. The Los Angeles Times reports that Trump has “retreated into a cocoon of bitterness and resentment, according to multiple administration sources.” The chaos in the White House on Monday and Tuesday was so intense that one former staffer called it, “like an episode of ‘Maury’ … the only thing that’s missing is a paternity test,” according to Politico. Rumors of firings and resignations are flying around so fast that they are bumping into each other.


rawstory.com


mrincredible said:

ridski said:
The Raven rang, he said it's "quoth"...
 The Organization Of Pedantic Snarky English Expatriates (OOPSEE) rang. You've been reelected as chairman.

Several years ago, someone discovered some old papers that contained a poem that a lot of experts at first attributed to Poe. I can’t find the newspaper story about it, but the one detail I remember is the telltale part that ultimately convinced them it wasn’t Poe’s: the placement of the word “only” in one of the lines. Most of us get pretty sloppy with “only” — writing, for instance, that they only come out at night* (all they do at night is come out) when we mean they come out only at night (it’s the one time they come out). Poe never made that mistake, and the poem in question did.

So while his birth in Boston would have denied Poe membership in OOPSEE, his famously precise literary diction would no doubt have made him a welcome guest at its parties.

* Attributed to a different Edgar (Winter), 1972


ridski said:
The Raven rang, he said it's "quoth" and that Trump will run.

 Actually the quote was mine...........I failed in all modesty to initially make that claim.  Edger Allan was always too depressing for this former school boy to quote directly.  It came to me once upon a midnight dreary.


GL2 said:


ridski said:
The Raven rang, he said it's "quoth" and that Trump will run.
 and he said nevermore was one word.

GL2 has not conceded and there are still votes to be counted

mrincredible said:



 The Organization Of Pedantic Snarky English Expatriates (OOPSEE) rang. You've been reelected as chairman.

 


At this point he has no real "Brain Trust" Kelly will not be there much longer. Giuliani is some one nobody takes seriously.  His family members have no real political acumen.  The first Lady did not want the job..........preferring to be a helicopter parent.  

He will be increasingly unable to bring in any real talent.  This will be another case of an isolated President like Nixon.

On the positive side, if you want to call it that....he is actually losing money because of the constraints placed on him by his office.  He will prefer to go back to his gold bathroom and twitter how successful was his time in office.


If Trump runs for re-election and loses November 11, 2020-January 20, 2021 is going to be a very dangerous time. LOL 


GL2 said:
I think Mika (Morning Joe) gets it right. Ignorance was bliss until the dust settled and someone told him the possibilities.


“I don’t think the president completely understood what losing the House meant,” Brzezinski said. “I think he thought, well, the Senate is bigger … or more higher level. I don’t think he understood that he actually has to hand over his tax returns if compelled, that he has to answer.”
“He has nowhere else to go,” she added. “I don’t think he fully understood that. It’s happening now, he’s getting it.” 

We shall see if the Pelosi house will even ask for the tax returns.

Even if the house does, he can refuse. He can order his IRS commissioner not to release. The house can hold him in contempt but contempt prosecutions are handled by the Justice dept.


author said:
 Actually the quote was mine...........I failed in all modesty to initially make that claim.  Edger Allan was always too depressing for this former school boy to quote directly.

Edger Allan was no bard
Edger Allan liked his lard
Edger Allan wasn’t edgy, was he


If Donald Trump declines to run in 2020 for any other reason that a health event that occurs between now and then, it would be a monumental shocker.  He's already raised boatloads of money, and he's virtually assured of about 250 electoral votes before he even starts campaigning.  He's a man who never admits defeat, and loves a fight.  The only reason he would drop out would be if defeat seemed certain, and he could spin a withdrawal as some kind of win.


here's a very likely starting point for Trump in the Electoral College, given this year's election results.

https://www.270towin.com/


ml1 said:
If Donald Trump declines to run in 2020 for any other reason that a health event that occurs between now and then, it would be a monumental shocker.  He's already raised boatloads of money, and he's virtually assured of about 250 electoral votes before he even starts campaigning.  He's a man who never admits defeat, and loves a fight.  The only reason he would drop out would be if defeat seemed certain, and he could spin a withdrawal as some kind of win.

 How big are Trump's boats compared to Warren Buffet's boats?


I think that Florida is wrong in that there will be more than 1M potential new voters due to the change in the law concerning convicted felons.  The prior disenfranchisement regime had a disparate impact against African-Americans.  Apparently, more than 20% of voting age citizen AAs were disenfranchised by this law.  That all changed last week.


BG9 said:


GL2 said:
I think Mika (Morning Joe) gets it right. Ignorance was bliss until the dust settled and someone told him the possibilities.


“I don’t think the president completely understood what losing the House meant,” Brzezinski said. “I think he thought, well, the Senate is bigger … or more higher level. I don’t think he understood that he actually has to hand over his tax returns if compelled, that he has to answer.”
“He has nowhere else to go,” she added. “I don’t think he fully understood that. It’s happening now, he’s getting it.” 
We shall see if the Pelosi house will even ask for the tax returns.

Even if the house does, he can refuse. He can order his IRS commissioner not to release. The house can hold him in contempt but contempt prosecutions are handled by the Justice dept.

 Speaking of Nancy, are we confident she's a shoo-in for Speaker?


LOST said:
If Trump runs for re-election and loses November 11, 2020-January 20, 2021 is going to be a very dangerous time. LOL 

 Agree. I think he's capable of rallying the troglodytes to rebel.


lord_pabulum said:


ml1 said:
If Donald Trump declines to run in 2020 for any other reason that a health event that occurs between now and then, it would be a monumental shocker.  He's already raised boatloads of money, and he's virtually assured of about 250 electoral votes before he even starts campaigning.  He's a man who never admits defeat, and loves a fight.  The only reason he would drop out would be if defeat seemed certain, and he could spin a withdrawal as some kind of win.
 How big are Trump's boats compared to Warren Buffet's boats?

 I didn't know Buffet was running, but in case you actually were asking a serious question and not trolling:

Trump Has Already Raised $100 Million for His Reelection.


Even Trump supporters are weary of the daily reality show drama at the White House.  Full poll report at link.  (Bonus:  Trump portrait below suitable for framing.)  grrr 


Monmouth University Poll:  Public Wants Congress to be a Check on Trump

Few support re-electing the president in 2020; not too keen on Pelosi, McConnell as leaders

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_111418/


West Long Branch, NJ – Nearly 6-in-10 Americans say they would like to see someone other than Donald Trump elected president in 2020, while his job approval rating continues to hover in the mid-40s.  With the midterm election bringing a change in House leadership, most Americans would like the new Congress to keep Trump in check, but few support outright impeachment. The latest national Monmouth University Poll also finds continued support for protecting the special counsel in the Russia investigation. Other poll results show that key congressional leaders lack support for continuing in their respective positions.


Trump’s overall job rating stands at 43% approve and 49% disapprove. The current results are basically in line with where his ratings have been since January.  Monmouth’s August poll before the 2018 fall campaign season got underway had Trump’s rating at a similar 43% approve and 50% disapprove.


The end of the 2018 midterm kicks off the 2020 presidential contest, and the president doesn’t start off with a strong base of support.  Just 36% of Americans feel Trump should be re-elected while nearly 6-in-10 (59%) say it is time to have someone else in office. Among registered voters, the result stands at 37% who support re-election and 58% who prefer a new president. Those who want to see someone new in the Oval Office in 2020 include 92% of Democrats, 59% of independents, and a small but not trivial 16% of Republicans.


“It’s interesting that the number of Americans who feel Trump deserves re-election is actually smaller than the number who give him a positive job rating. It seems that some Americans are okay with Trump as president now but feel that four years might be enough,” said Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute.



DottyParker said:
Even Trump supporters are weary of the daily reality show drama at the White House.  Full poll report at link.  (Bonus:  Trump portrait below suitable for framing.)  grrr 


Monmouth University Poll:  Public Wants Congress to be a Check on Trump
Few support re-electing the president in 2020; not too keen on Pelosi, McConnell as leaders

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_111418/



West Long Branch, NJ – Nearly 6-in-10 Americans say they would like to see someone other than Donald Trump elected president in 2020, while his job approval rating continues to hover in the mid-40s.  With the midterm election bringing a change in House leadership, most Americans would like the new Congress to keep Trump in check, but few support outright impeachment. The latest national Monmouth University Poll also finds continued support for protecting the special counsel in the Russia investigation. Other poll results show that key congressional leaders lack support for continuing in their respective positions.


Trump’s overall job rating stands at 43% approve and 49% disapprove. The current results are basically in line with where his ratings have been since January.  Monmouth’s August poll before the 2018 fall campaign season got underway had Trump’s rating at a similar 43% approve and 50% disapprove.


The end of the 2018 midterm kicks off the 2020 presidential contest, and the president doesn’t start off with a strong base of support.  Just 36% of Americans feel Trump should be re-elected while nearly 6-in-10 (59%) say it is time to have someone else in office. Among registered voters, the result stands at 37% who support re-election and 58% who prefer a new president. Those who want to see someone new in the Oval Office in 2020 include 92% of Democrats, 59% of independents, and a small but not trivial 16% of Republicans.


“It’s interesting that the number of Americans who feel Trump deserves re-election is actually smaller than the number who give him a positive job rating. It seems that some Americans are okay with Trump as president now but feel that four years might be enough,” said Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute.


 The Chairman of the Bored


I don't know why ya'll do this to yourselves. There is little hope that he's even close to done. He's just setting up for the next brutal plot twist towards his goal of increasing his executive power.


ml1 said:
If Donald Trump declines to run in 2020 for any other reason that a health event that occurs between now and then, it would be a monumental shocker.  He's already raised boatloads of money, and he's virtually assured of about 250 electoral votes before he even starts campaigning.  He's a man who never admits defeat, and loves a fight.  The only reason he would drop out would be if defeat seemed certain, and he could spin a withdrawal as some kind of win.

 If he wants out but doesn’t have something he can sell as ‘mission accomplished’,  he might just announce that he has cancer and ask that we respect his privacy on the golf course.  


sprout said:
I don't know why ya'll do this to yourselves. There is little hope that he's even close to done. He's just setting up for the next brutal plot twist towards his goal of increasing his executive power.

 I agree.  The next two years are going to have some ugly times.  Trump is the foul spawn of a cornered rat and a junkyard dog and we can expect him to act accordingly.


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